1991

Public Domain Shakespeare Proposal

Shakespeare Electronic Conference, Vol. 2, No.220. Tuesday, 17 Sep 1991.
 
(1)	Date:   Mon, 16 Sep 91 09:15:56 EDT
	From:	David Alan Grier <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Subj:   Re: SHK 2.0216  Public Domain Texts: A Proposal
 
(2)	Date: 	Mon, 16 Sep 1991 14:17:14 -0400
	From: 	Mike Post <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Subj: 	Text Encoding
 
(3)	From: 	Michael Warren <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Date: 	Mon, 16 Sep 91 15:36:47 -0700
	Subj: 	[Public Domain Shakespeare Texts]
 
(4)	Date: 	Mon, 16 Sep 1991 20:17:02 EDT
	From: 	This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. (Hardy M. Cook)
	Subj: 	RE: SHK 2.0216  Public Domain Texts: A Proposal
 
(5)	Date:   Tue, 17 Sep 1991 8:17:55 CDT
	From: 	Lars Engle <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Subj: 	RE: SHK 2.0216  Public Domain Texts: A Proposal
 
(6)	From: 	Ken Steele <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Subj: 	Public Domain Shakespeare Texts
	Date: 	Tue, 17 Sep 91 9:36:02 EDT
 
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Date:         	Mon, 16 Sep 91 09:15:56 EDT
From: 		David Alan Grier <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: 2.0216  Public Domain Texts: A Proposal
Comment:      	Re: SHK 2.0216  Public Domain Texts: A Proposal
 
The idea of producing public domain Shakespeare texts is superb.  Other
fields (my own of computer science is a good example) have produced extensive
libraries of public domain programs and documents to good effect.  The
challenge in doing so, and it is far from insurmountable, is quality control.
You need to prepare a careful style sheet and have an editing and proof
reading staff.  Once that is done, the project can be done with volunteer
input.
 
One other thing.  I would recommend preparing the text so that it might be
used with a standard shareware viewer, such as "list" (available from
simtel20 or the wstl (washington university) archives.
 
D. Grier
 
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Date: 		Mon, 16 Sep 1991 14:17:14 -0400
From: 		Mike Post <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: 	Text Encoding
 
Ken et. al.,
 
For what it's worth, I'll run out and start typing now if you'd like.
Being a computer geek from way back, having such an electronic
resource would quite possibly cause me to wet my pants.  Our
production manager, another computer enthusiast, likes to use
electronic texts to lay out his prompt book when he stage manages.  He
finds it invaluable, though does not always have the time to do the
typing.  I am not a very good typist, so it will take me a short while
to type the Folio 8-).  In terms of organizing this, I have a couple
of questions/suggestions.
 
    First of all, which source is to be used?  I suspect there will be
    a vast difference of opinion as to which is better, Q or F.
    Further, while any published copy of one source should be the same
    as any other, is this necessarily the case, or are there 'minute
    typing differences' between them?  As an actor, I have learned
    that such typos can change the meaning of a line.  Would doing
    copies of different sources be too much work?  It would be
    interesting for electronic text analysis.
 
    Secondly, I'd like to suggest it would be easier to keep track of
    things if it were done in scenes, rather than, 'OK, You take lines
    20 through 117.'  While individual scenes vary in length, I don't
    know of any which would be so long as to prohibit entry of each
    with proper proofreading.
 
    What about having each scene proofread by 1 or 2 others on the
    project?  I'd feel happier if I had a watchdog over me,
    considering my typing skills.
 
    Lastly, which text to begin with?  So far, you suggest *Lear* and
    someone else likes *Hamlet*.  Personally, I have no immediate
    concern, though *12N* would have been nice last year.  We have no
    planned productions of Shakespeare this year, and I have no
    projects involving such, yet (our school year starts next week,
    who knows what I'll be assigned...)  I suggest a poll of the
    subscribers who are interested in this project.  Someone may have
    an immediate need for a text and could be accommodated this way.
 
In closing, I feel this project is IMPORTANT.  Most of us in academia
know of the meaning of 'lack of funding' and often cannot afford to
purchase such a resource.  One of the most fascinating things about
networking is this huge potential for collaboration, making such a
monumental project as encoding Shakespeare manageable by bring more
fingers into the fray.  I sense a possibility here for creating a
resource which will prove invaluable to the academic world at large.
Let me know if I can help in the organization/management of it all,
I'll do my best.
 
				Mike Post
				Graduate Student, MFA Directing/Acting
				The University of Montana
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From: 		Michael Warren <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Mon, 16 Sep 91 15:36:47 -0700
Subject: 	[Public Domain Shakespeare Texts]
 
	[Personal correspondence slightly edited. -- k.s.]
 
I am indeed still here reading everything that comes through, but find that
whenever there is something I might respond to, somebody else has usually
been quicker off the mark.
 
However, I am very interested in all the correspondence about getting
Qq and Ff on line. If there is a desire to install texts of LEAR, may I
point out that there is a better text to use than the Huntington quartos,
which is prepared from a copy that mixes formes in corrected and uncorrected
states, and which has a number of flaws in the reproduction (not many, as I
recall, but even two or three are more than you need). There is a version
from U. of California Press with which I'm all too well acquainted that
might prove useful as a source for both Q and F.  Only the Oxford facsimile
fits neatly on a stand beside a keyboard.
 
I plan to follow this correspondence with curiosity--and perhaps even
participation. It has been one of my dreams to get a parallel text of LEAR
onto a computer, but I've never given it the priority I should.
 
					Best wishes
					Michael Warren
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Date: 		Mon, 16 Sep 1991 20:17:02 EDT
From: 		This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. (Hardy M. Cook)
Subject: 2.0216  Public Domain Texts: A Proposal
Comment: 	RE: SHK 2.0216  Public Domain Texts: A Proposal
 
I have the HP ScanJet Plus, an IBM PS/2 model 70, and OmniPage Professional
and I would be glad to scan any public domain text submitted to me.  I also
have been transcribing the text of the 1609 quarto of the sonnets and would
also make that available to SHAKSPEReans.  All I need is a little
encouragement.
 
					Hardy M. Cook
					Bowie State University
 
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Date:    	Tue, 17 Sep 1991 8:17:55 CDT
From: 		Lars Engle <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: 2.0216  Public Domain Texts: A Proposal
Comment: 	RE: SHK 2.0216  Public Domain Texts: A Proposal
 
Dear Ken,
 
	I would be happy to encode my ten lines (or whatever it turns
out to be, within limits).  I own both Hinman and Allen&Muir.
 
				Lars Engle
				U. of Tulsa
 
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From: 		Ken Steele <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: 	Public Domain Shakespeare Texts
Date: 		Tue, 17 Sep 91 9:36:02 EDT
 
I'm elated to find so much interest in public domain electronic texts,
and so many willing volunteers!  I suspect there are others out there
who simply haven't spoken up; please do, as I'm compiling a list...
 
With all electronic texts, as David Grier and Mike Post emphasize,
accuracy is crucial, and proofreading indispensable.  I think there
are two key factors which will make this project feasible:
 
	1) The Network: we are a large group of computer-literate
	people interested in Shakespeare, we have a ready means to
	exchange electronic texts easily and quickly, and working
	cooperatively we may be able to complete this project faster
	than a single editor ever could.  We can also share the burden
	of proof-reading, to some extent, reporting errors as they are
	observed and taking them into account in a central, read-only
	file.
 
	2) A number of us have access to the Howard-Hill texts from
	the Oxford Text Archive.  Although we cannot under any
	circumstances distribute these files, using software like
	COLLATE or URICA it should be possible to test the accuracy of
	the new, public-domain texts quickly and easily.  A listing of
	variants can then be used to correct errors, or to focus
	attention on the facsimiles for proofreading.
 
Mike Post is also quite right, that volunteer stints the length of
scenes make more sense than ten-line segments.  (I intended to
emphasize the power of cooperation, not make more work for ourselves...).
 
I suggested *King Lear* because it is the centre of textual attention
at the moment, and because electronic texts of the quarto and folio
texts would be useful and in demand, but any other revised play would
also be appropriate, if controversial: *Hamlet*, *Othello*, and
*Richard III* occur to me.  A full-fledged poll may not be necessary;
suggestions are invited.  Certainly I believe that two texts of *Lear*
or three of *Hamlet* would be a more valuable resource than a single
text of three different plays, as a starting point.  (Ultimately, we'd
like to have all the plays in all their authoritative forms, of course.)
 
Michael Warren raises another important issue: the choice of copytext.
No-one wants to do keyboard entry in a library, so obviously we're
talking about facsimiles and hence modern editors.  The Norton
Facsimile of the First Folio is obviously the only choice, right?  For
the Quartos, the Allen & Muir volume is most convenient for many of us
(I'm still saving my pennies for *The Complete King Lear*, which
offers a parallel-text facsimile as well as individual facsimiles, if
I'm not mistaken), and I think convenience will be important if we are
to recruit volunteers.  I also suspect that we should try to encode
stop-press corrections and variants within an edition, if this is at
all possible.  Are there texts for which complete reference lists exist?
 
I would like to urge others to add their voices to mine to encourage
Hardy Cook to post his texts of the Sonnets when complete.  This would
be a valuable text, and one which is not available elsewhere, I believe.
The offer of scanning faycilities is also most generous, and I hope we
can find a way to orchestrate their use to best advantage.  I presume
that modern scanning technology and software is still inadequate to
the challenge posed by Elizabethan printing, but Steve Urkowitz's
suggestion of scanning modern type-facsimiles might be a good starting
point.  Editing a scanned text should be faster than keyboarding it
from scratch, and collation with the Howard-Hill texts would guard
against errors of oversight.
 
As for the encoding scheme: a simple scheme would probably be best, so
long as the essential information is included (Act, Scene, Speaker,
Speech Prefix, Page/Signature, Italic/Roman type, Stage Directions,
Printer's Matter, Language, Turned-over and -under lines, and perhaps
classical scenes).  More than this might just make the task more difficult,
and most other details (such as line numbering, filled lines, justified
text, compositor stints, etc.) could more easily be added later, in
some cases automatically.  Rather than a complex scheme like SGML, I
would also recommend something simple, like Oxford's COCOA brackets,
or WordCruncher's "bar"| codes, which could always be made more
complex later with macros or search-and-replace.  We don't want to
make the task insurmountable, but we also don't want to leave out
something so pervasive that a complete proofing of the text would be
necessary to add it.
 
Any more suggestions, comments, or offers?
 
					Ken Steele
					University of Toronto

Replies: Electronic Shakespeare Texts

Shakespeare Electronic Conference, Vol. 2, No. 219. Monday, 16 Sep 1991.
 
 
(1)	Date: 	Sat, 14 Sep 1991 14:43:44 -0400
	From: 	Roy Flannagan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Subj:	[RE: SHK 2.0216  Public Domain Texts: A Proposal]
 
(2)	Date: 	Sat, 14 Sep 91 19:50 EST
	From: 	Skip Shand <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Subj: 	RE: SHK 2.0216  Public Domain Texts: A Proposal
 
	
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Date: 		Sat, 14 Sep 1991 14:43:44 -0400
From: 		Roy Flannagan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: 2.0216  Public Domain Texts: A Proposal]
Comment:	[RE: SHK 2.0216  Public Domain Texts: A Proposal]
 
Ken: Count me in for entering and encoding a quarto between now and
Christmas.  I just got a copy of the Allen-Muir and could work from
that.  The TEI people would probably help and those like Lavagnino at
Brandeis might have helpful encoding instructions (I have some that have
evolved for Milton, but they don't necessarily work well with drama).  I
might be able to railroad some graduate students onto email and into
transcribing and encoding.  How about *Hamlet* Q1, for starters?
 
							Roy Flannagan
 
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Date: 		Sat, 14 Sep 91 19:50 EST
From: 		Skip Shand <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: 2.0216  Public Domain Texts: A Proposal
Comment: 	RE: SHK 2.0216  Public Domain Texts: A Proposal
 
Re Steve's initial query:
 
One person who has been producing electronic texts of some Folio plays
is my former colleague, Neil Freeman, who is now in the Drama Dept. at
the University of British Columbia. Freeman's texts are in Microsoft
Word, for the Mac, and are especially designed for use by actors. I haven't
collated one of his texts with F, so can't comment yet on their accuracy,
but Ellen O'Brien used his *Measure* as a production text at Guilford
College last spring, and was very positive about it, and I am planning
to use it in workshops with my students this winter. (For a fee, Freeman
provides you with a diskette and the right to reproduce it for classes or
productions.) Sorry, I don't have a current e-mail address for him, but
the Canadian posties, when not out walking the picket lines, would surely
help you reach him in the good old-fashioned way at:
 
		Drama Department
		University of British Columbia
		Vancouver, B.C.  V6T 1W5

Misc Notes & Queries

Shakespeare Electronic Conference, Vol. 2, No. 217. Saturday, 14 Sep 1991.
 
 
(1)	Date: 	Fri, 13 Sep 91 15:39 EST
	From: 	Skip Shand <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Subj: 	Hamlet in Pittsburgh/Boston?
 
(2)	Date: 	Thu, 12 Sep 1991 23:02:32 -0400
	From: 	Steve Urkowitz <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Subj:   Re: SHK 2.0210  Notes & Queries: 12N
 
(3)	Date: 	Fri, 13 Sep 1991 16:20:00 -0400
	From: 	William Proctor Williams <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Subj: 	British Library
	
 
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Date: 		Fri, 13 Sep 91 15:39 EST
From: 		Skip Shand <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: 	Hamlet in Pittsburgh/Boston?
 
A recent note from Mark Rylance tells me that he will be "playing Hamlet
in Pittsburgh and Boston this Autumn." As he is a very slow correspondent,
this is a request for direct info from folks in Pittsburgh and/or Boston
(Pittsburgh being my preferred destination): can someone give me details
on these two runs, and addresses or phone numbers for more info? I'd love
to see how he has rethought the role since his RSC version.
 
Thanks,
 
Skip Shand
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Date: 		Thu, 12 Sep 1991 23:02:32 -0400
From: 		Steve Urkowitz <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: 2.0210  Notes & Queries: 12N
Comment:      	Re: SHK 2.0210  Notes & Queries: 12N
 
About 12th Night:  I fear I've swallowed and forgotten much of the criticism
that doubtless shaped my understanding of the play.  The experience that
fused it to my happy soul, though, was directing it . . . Ahhhh.
For something recent, you might want to look at David Richman's _Laughter,
Pain, and Wonder: Shakespeare's Comedies and the Audience in the Theatre_
(1990), for a director and sensitive reader's take.
Good luck in your searches.
 
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Date: 		Fri, 13 Sep 1991 16:20:00 -0400
From: 		William Proctor Williams <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: 	British Library
 
	[The message which prompted this reply was not received by
	SHAKSPER.  It was either a private message, or one posted to
	another discussion. -- k.s.]
 
I am sorry for the delay in responding to W. Moffett's message of 9 September.
Perhaps I did not make myself clear about maintaining the card catalogue or,
in the case of the disputes between the BL and RRG, the printed catalogue
(I refuse to use the United States and Library of Congress barbarism
"catalog").  I should have said "retain" or "preserve" the existing hardcopy
catalogue.
 
Events on this campus this week provide an illustration.  For most of Monday,
Tuesday, and Wednesday the newly installed online system here, ILLINET, was
down and students in my Bibliography and Methods of Research class told me
on Wed. night that they could not have completed their assignments had it
not been the case that this university library has retained its card catalogue
though no cards have been added for about 10 years.  Computer systems fail;
certainly any user of BITNET could not be unaware of this.  Computers
are wonderful tools--when they work--and I would not advocate a return to
contemporary printed catalogues and I do not think the RRG would so
advocate for the new BL.  But there has to be a backup when the online
catalogues fail.  They are much more fragile than their printed parents and
need their help.  Any library administration with a view toward the needs of
their readers should preserve their existing printed (in whatever form)
catalogues.
 
The last sentence leads us to another point Mr Moffett addressed to Forster,
Cox, and me: what libraries should know about their readers ("users,"
Mr Moffett's term, falls into the same category as "catalog").  I would
assume that it is the purpose  of libraries to know everything they
can about their readers.  For what other reason do they exist but for their
readers?  Perhaps Mr Moffett would care to explain the reason for the
existence of a vast library of books and journals which are not read?  More
"mischief" will be done by such remarks as those of Mr Moffett toward
readers than could ever be done by remarks from readers who use libraries
and want to see them get better and better, more useful and more responsive
to the real needs of their readers.  The LC has done this by retaining its
card catalogue and its staff does refer readers to this catalogue when
the online catalogue fails or fails to deliver sufficient results
(i.e., whether or not a book is in the general collection or the rare
books room).
 
On the matter of my credentials as the director of a university library
which Mr Moffet queries in a rather odd ad hominem attack; I am either telling
the truth or telling a lie. If it matters to him, as it appears to do (why
else raise the point at all?), then he might wish to call the President of
this university and ask whether it is true or not.  The President is
John La Tourette and his number is (815)753 9500--I don't think he has a
BITNET address.
 
				William Proctor Williams,
				Department of English,
				Northern Illinois University,
				DeKalb, IL  60115
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PS:  Forster and Cox may or may not wish to associate themselves with this
response.  Since it is, in part, a response to a personal accusation,
they may wish to answer on their own.
 
COULD THIS BE CROSS-POSTED TO ANY APPROPRIATE BULLETIN BOARD.  THANKS.

SHAKSPER Membership List Update

Shakespeare Electronic Conference, Vol. 2, No. 218. Saturday, 14 Sep 1991.
 
From: 		Ken Steele <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: 	SHAKSPER Membership Listing Update
Date: 		Sat, 14 Sep 91 10:51:22 EDT
 
SHAKSPER has been growing rapidly in recent weeks, and I regret that I
recently realized that I have not kept the SHAKSPER MEMBERS file on
the Fileserver up-to-date for several months.  The result is that new
members have been receiving a curiously out-of-date listing in their
New Member Package.  I am distributing the current list, below, to
rectify this oversight.  (My apologies to those who have recently
requested a REVIEW SHAKSPER, as ListServ has, of course, supplied an
accurate list in response to that command.)
 
Since the last generally-distributed membership list, we have been
joined by SHAKSPEReans in Scotland, Ireland, Germany, Switzerland, and
Fiji.  (Biography files are available from the SHAKSPER Fileserver).
We're now 192 in 12 countries!
 
*
*  Following is a listing of current members of the Shakespeare
*  Electronic Conference.  The list is automatically generated by
*  Listserv, alphabetically by email Node.  Any member of SHAKSPER
*  can obtain an updated membership listing at any time by issuing
*  the interactive command, "TELL LISTSERV@UTORONTO REVIEW SHAKSPER",
*  or sending the mail command, "REVIEW SHAKSPER" to LISTSERV@
*  UTORONTO.  Note that this file is not equivalent to the
*  Biography files, also maintained on the SHAKSPER Fileserver.
*
*  All members agree that this membership list is private, and is
*  not to be distributed, in whole or in part, outside the membership
*  of SHAKSPER.  (c) 1991 SHAKSPER.
*
* SHAKSPER Electronic Conference - created 16 July 90
*
* Total number of "concealed" subscribers:         9
* Total number of users subscribed to the list:  192  (non-"concealed" only)
* Total number of countries represented:          12  (non-"concealed" only)
* Total number of nodes represented:             153  (non-"concealed" only)
*
*  Country        Subscribers
*  -------        -----------
*  Brazil             1
*  Canada            17
*  England            6
*  Fiji               1
*  France             1
*  Germany            1
*  Ireland            2
*  Japan              1
*  Korea              1
*  Scotland           2
*  Switzerland	      1
*  USA              158
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Public Domain Texts: A Proposal

Shakespeare Electronic Conference, Vol. 2, No. 216. Saturday, 14 Sep 1991.
 
 
(1)	Date: 	Thu, 12 Sep 1991 23:33:13 -0400
	From: 	Steve Urkowitz <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Subj:   Re: SHK 2.0208  Text Encoding Initiative, SGML
	
(2)	From: 	Ken Steele <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Subj: 	Public Domain Shakespeare Texts: A Proposal
	Date: 	Sat, 14 Sep 91 9:01:40 EDT
 
	
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Date: 		Thu, 12 Sep 1991 23:33:13 -0400
From: 		Steve Urkowitz <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: 2.0208  Text Encoding Initiative, SGML
Comment:      	Re: SHK 2.0208  Text Encoding Initiative, SGML
 
Thanks for the survey of the Text-encoding world, daunting though it may
be.  A question:  Are there any happy souls encoding quarto and Folio
texts of Shakespeare's plays?  I know that the Oxford Text Archive perches
dragonlike over the treasures coded by those earlier Oxford concorders,
but, as they say down East, we can't get there from here.  I bought this
sooper dooper compooter with an absurdly large hard disk so that I might
do interesting and rollicking searches through Qs and Fs.  Silly me.
I've learned that I can only buy "Wordcruncher and the Riverside" (not a
lot of binocularity there).  And I can ask Ken Steele (and I have) to run
searches on the beautiful Qs and Fs that he has access to.  But that's
at E-arms length.
 
Question:  Would it be possible for a happy graduate seminar somewhere to
dedicate itself to scanning or coding one or several of the neatly typeset
type-facsimiles of Shakespearean quartos and First Folio texts?  Could a
dedicated Text Encoder mark up those Bardic E-texts for public access?
"Tell me about the rabbits again, George . . . "  Will Old Shakespeare ever
find his/her/their way into my 40meg drive?  Somewhere, over the rainEbow . . .
 
					E-dreaming,
 
					Steve Urkowitz
					SURCC@CUNYVM
					
 
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From: 		Ken Steele <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: 	Public Domain Shakespeare Texts: A Proposal
Date: 		Sat, 14 Sep 91 9:01:40 EDT
 
 
Background:
 
Although individual public domain electronic texts of Shakespeare can
occasionally be found (I think I read about a text of CE recently on
GUTNBERG), to my knowledge the complete works have been keyboarded
very few times.  As I understand it, Marvin Spevack entered the texts
for his famous Concordance, and WordCruncher corporation re-issued
those texts as the Riverside Shakespeare.  Likewise, T.H. Howard-Hill
keypunched the Quartos and Folios in the 1960s, for his series of
Oxford Old-Spelling Shakespeare Concordances, and Stanley Wells and
Gary Taylor used those files to prepare the Oxford Complete Works (now
available on disk from Oxford University Press - Electronic Division).
In the era of electronic typesetting, typesetter's tapes have become a common
resource for preparing electronic editions too, and Arthur Bullen's
Stratford Town Edition (available from Shakespeare on Disk), and the
Stratford Ontario Festival editions (available from DisteK Publishing)
doubtless came about in that way.
 
The WordCruncher Riverside is perhaps most widely available, on both
diskettes and CD-ROM, and is a traditional edition, with all the
advantages and disadvantages that entails.  Naturally, the electronic
version has a few new errors (see RIVERSID ERRORS SHAKSPER on the SHAKSPER
Fileserver for a partial listing).  Unfortunately, WordCruncher has
encrypted the data files to make it difficult to correct them, or to use
them with any application other than WordCruncher, and the license
agreement strictly forbids any such reverse-engineering.  The Oxford
Complete Works is much better in this regard; the files are mere ASCII
with COCOA-style tags to identify significant textual features, and
can be edited or used with other software.  But an edition is an edition.
 
Howard-Hill's original transcriptions of the Quartos and First Folio
are by far and away more useful to textual scholars, revisionists, and
theatre historians.  The files are still available from the Oxford
University Computing Services Text Archive, on magnetic tape, for "a
modest media charge," but unless you have a mainframe in your office
you will have to suffer the slings and arrows of conversion to get
them onto diskette.  (For some discussion of these texts and their
capabilities, see TEXTBASE ANNOUNCE SHAKSPER, WCRUNCHR SHAKSPER,
and DYNAMIC SHAKSPER on the Fileserver.  For information about the
Archive's holdings, see OXFORD ARCHIVE.  For ordering information, see
OXFORD BROCHURE.)  And while obviously the Quartos and Folios can't be
copyrighted, the OTA requires purchasers to sign a contractual license
agreement forbidding redistribution of the files.
 
A Proposal:
 
What's past is prologue; sorry for its length.  Several days before
word came of the Dartmouth Shakespeare database on Internet (which we
now know is only about half of the Shakespeare on Disk corpus), I was
toying with a proposal which Steve's question now prompts: as an
international community of almost 200 Shakespeareans, could we not
cooperatively produce a few public domain texts of our own, with absolutely
NO STRINGS ATTACHED, and make them available to all?  The network
brings a new dimension to collaboration and cooperation, and this
would be a fine way to demonstrate its potential to revolutionize
the pursuit of knowledge.
 
What if each of us selflessly keyboarded, scanned, or clipped from our
files of articles and essays just TEN LINES of *King Lear*?  The
cumulative effect would be a text of the play within a few weeks.
I could electronically collate it with other electronic texts to ensure its
accuracy, without violating anyone's copyright or license agreements.
It could then be made available on the SHAKSPER Fileserver, and/or via
FTP on the Internet, to all, and could be redistributed from there.
 
Obviously, with the Riverside, Oxford, Stratford Town, and Stratford
Festival editions available, what's really needed now are some truly
public-domain Quarto and Folio texts.  It would take some time to
produce the entire corpus, but not as long as it will take to convince
Oxford or WordCruncher to place their files in the public domain.
And Steve's idea of encouraging graduate seminars (or even
undergraduates) to participate is also an excellent one.
 
Comments or suggestions?  Is *King Lear*, as the heart of the revision
controversy and the single most textually-studied play, a reasonable
place to start?  Is there any common facsimile more readily available
than the Norton Folio and the Allen & Muir Quartos?  Are there any
volunteers to help work out an encoding scheme, or to start keyboarding?
Are there any texts out there lying in wait already?  Does anyone else
care if there are public domain texts?
 
					Ken Steele
					University of Toronto
						

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