1993

Re: Shakespeare on gopher

Shakespeare Electronic Conference, Vol. 4, No. 849.  Sunday, 28 November 1993.
 
From:           Phyllis Rackin <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Saturday, 27 Nov 1993 11:26:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 4.0846  Re: Shakespeare on gopher
Comment:        Re: SHK 4.0846  Re: Shakespeare on gopher
 
> As per your announcement below, I tried to ftp to the addresses to get
> the files as that is much less trouble to me and to the nets, but it
> was not open to anonymous, and login as gopher required a password.
 
> Maybe someone can help me.  I've been trying for two days to use the services
> of the gopher at upenn to do a word search through the Complete Works, but
> I can't seem to find my way around.  When I use Phyllis Rackin's instructions,
> (tn gopher.upenn.edu), I get into the system, but there are so many choices
> that I have not yet been able to get at Shakespeare.  When I tried the
> alternative (tn gopher ccat.sas.upenn.edu), my screen said "Can't use port
> ccat.sas.upenn.edu."  Is this problem due to the fact that my PC is not
> capable of logging into such a system?  Or, can anyone tell me how to navigate
> through the menus of the gopher to get to the Shakespeare texts?
 
Try this:
1.  telnet gopher.upenn.edu
2.  From the resulting menu, choose number 3 (Gopher servers at Penn).
    i.e., move your cursor to number 3, and press the enter/return key on
    your computer keyboard.
3.  From that menu, choose number 1 (center for computer analysis of texts)
4.  From that menu, choose number 1 (search all CCAT menus using
    jughead).  Once you press the return key, you should get a prompt that
    asks you for "Words to search for"; at that point, type shakespeare.

Re: Electronic Scholarship

Shakespeare Electronic Conference, Vol. 4, No. 848. Saturday, 27 November 1993.
 
From:           Timothy Bowden <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 26 Nov 93 22:29:15 PST
Subject: 4.0843  Re: Electronic Scholarship
Comment:        Re: SHK 4.0843  Re: Electronic Scholarship
 
> From:           James McKenna <MCKENNJI@UCBEH>
 
> In reply to Timothy Bowden's suggestion that reading bound books is
> analogous to trudging uphill in the snow eight miles -
 
No, no.  Not the reading of the text, but the secondary search, the
wonder at where `incest' appears elsewhere and under what context and
how it is used.  Ain't nobody excpected to leave the hearth to find the
scripture proper, my man...
 
> Books, like us, are partly tangible, real objects.  There is virtue in not
> straying too far from that peculiar balance of material and ephemeral.
 
Somewhere, before they fly over the wires at the speed of light, the
lines on your screen are stored as millions of simple answers to basic
questions, yes or no, on or off, .5 + or -.
 
> Electrotexts are virtually infinite, instantaneous.  They accelerate
> the movement of information, but at the same time debase that
> information by making it totally ephemeral, immaterial, as it were.
 
My CD-ROM has weight, though less, and occupies space, though least of
all the storage devices, such as inky papyrus.  Any object, sexual or
otherwise, is never degraded when diminished.  See Jenny Craig.
 
It is here wise to point out the justified prejudice against those who
figure books as tangible textual objects.  They carry volumes in their
hands, always with their fingers marking the place to radiate close
study, and less and least in their heads.  A physical presence may well
diminish spiritual attainments (attempted meditation while suffering the
heartbreak of `fisherman's seat'), but in no instance might the souls
of objects be measured by the pound.
 
>   While searching for something in a book, I must wait a lot.  I can't
> find things immediately.  Often I have to go find another book.  While
> searching, I find other things, I am open to a world that I had not
> counted on.  And I must wait, and in waiting learn patience.
 
This method my high school English teacher referred to as `dalliance'.
Though I described it in just your terms, she marked out her own
patience (and my lesser results) in six-week periods.
 
And the times they are a'changin'...
 
I see a term on a screen.  Click.  I mark before my eyes moving like the
dead trees of yore a wealth of material others have noted on just that
idea.  I can at a sitting avail myself of the swarm of western thought
on the subject, then move east, if I dare. I can construct a platform of
the sturdy hides of all the world's best minds who have traced their
passages before me.
 
Then I can dream.  Then I can write.  Then I can exercise all the
world's proud patience.
 
Timothy Bowden

Re: Shakespeare on gopher

Shakespeare Electronic Conference, Vol. 4, No. 846. Saturday, 27 November 1993.
 
(1)     From:   Michael S. Hart <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Friday, 26 Nov 93 10:47:46 CST
        Subj:   Re: SHK 4,0840  Shakespeare on gopher
 
(2)     From:   Michael Friedman <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Friday, 26 Nov 1993 16:14:55 -0500 (EST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 4,0840  Shakespeare on gopher
 
 
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From:           Michael S. Hart <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 26 Nov 93 10:47:46 CST
Subject: 4,0840  Shakespeare on gopher
Comment:        Re: SHK 4,0840  Shakespeare on gopher
 
As per your announcement below, I tried to ftp to the addresses to get
the files as that is much less trouble to me and to the nets, but it
was not open to anonymous, and login as gopher required a password.
 
Please advise,
 
Thanks,
 
Best Wishes For The Holiday Season!
 
Michael S. Hart
 
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From:           Michael Friedman <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 26 Nov 1993 16:14:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 4,0840  Shakespeare on gopher
Comment:        Re: SHK 4,0840  Shakespeare on gopher
 
Maybe someone can help me.  I've been trying for two days to use the services
of the gopher at upenn to do a word search through the Complete Works, but
I can't seem to find my way around.  When I use Phyllis Rackin's instructions,
(tn gopher.upenn.edu), I get into the system, but there are so many choices
that I have not yet been able to get at Shakespeare.  When I tried the
alternative (tn gopher ccat.sas.upenn.edu), my screen said "Can't use port
ccat.sas.upenn.edu."  Is this problem due to the fact that my PC is not
capable of logging into such a system?  Or, can anyone tell me how to navigate
through the menus of the gopher to get to the Shakespeare texts?
 
                                                Michael Friedman
                                                This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Re: Hamlet at Wittenberg

Shakespeare Electronic Conference, Vol. 4, No. 847. Saturday, 27 November 1993.
 
From:           Jay Edelnant <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 26 Nov 1993 16:39:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: 4.0835  Re: Hamlet at Wittenberg
Comment:        Re: SHK 4.0835  Re: Hamlet at Wittenberg
 
In Glowacki's _Fortinbras Gets Drunk_, there is innuendo about Faustus sleeping
with his student Dagny Borg, the daughter of Sternborg, advisor to Old Norway,
father of Fortinbras and his brother Mortinbras.  I suppose you have to read
the play.

Re: Acting Time and Cutting Scripts

Shakespeare Electronic Conference, Vol. 4, No. 845. Friday, 25 November 1993.
 
From:           James McKenna <MCKENNJI@UCBEH>
Date:           Thursday, 25 Nov 1993 22:13:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject:        cut scripts
 
Concerning Dr. Godshalk's interest in frequent cutting and mixing of the
scripts:
 
In reading Shakespeare and Jonson recently, I noticed that both playwrights
have a large number of plays within plays.  This led me to look at the
audiences of those plays within plays as some sort of mirror of actual
Renaissance audiences.  Jonson even includes such audience-control tools as a
contract with the audience (_Bartholmew Fair_) and an example of how not to be
an audience (_Staple of News_).  It seems clear to me that the playwrights'
concerns about the audience included discipline rather high on the list of
priorities.
 
Given such a concern, it seems also likely that jiggering with the script would
be a reasonable response: cut what didn't play well last time; expand what did.
Any given text, then, might represent the longest possible version of a play,
not a version that was ever really played.  _Henry V_ is a good example of a
play that might have been printed from such a patched and worked-over script.
The Choruses fit so poorly with the play, both in tone and in simple logic that
it is hard to believe that the play was ever supposed to be performed as it was
published in the folio.
 
This reminds me of two major origins of the Renaissance drama: traveling
mystery plays and the schoolboy productions of classical plays.  Suppose we
combined the ambience of a mystery play production before a public audience
with the attempted refinement of classical drama as performed in private
schools.  Doesn't that sound something like the Globe?
 
Lively and even disruptive audience response, such as we see in _Love's Labors
Lost_ and _Midsummer Night's Dream_, seems likely.  It's hard to imagine such a
nightmare as _The Knight of the Burning Pestle_ coming wholly from Beaumont's
imagination.  And if these were the audiences companies had to play to, then
day-to-day cutting makes good sense.
 
In answer to your query, though, no, I don't know of any.  But you knew that
(didn't you?)
 
Well-stuffed and humming,
 
James McKenna

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