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Apologies; *Tro.*; Don John; Stratford; Newsgroup
Shakespeare Electronic Conference, Vol. 6, No. 0328.  Thursday, 20 April 1995.
 
(1)     From:   Edward Rocklin <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 19 Apr 95 17:42:55 PDT
        Subj:   RE: SHK 6.0320  Insults and Apologies
 
(2)     From:   W. L. Godshalk <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 19 Apr 1995 22:55:26 -0500 (EST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 6.0317  Qs: Troilus and Cressida
 
(3)     From:   Juliet A. Youngren <
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        Date:   Thursday, 20 Apr 1995 10:21:33 -0500 (CDT)
        Subj:   Don John
 
(4)     From:   Mather Susan <
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        Date:   Thursday, 20 Apr 1995 17:15:20 -0400 (EDT)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 6.0302  Q: Stratford Festivals and Teaching
 
(5)     From:   Marty Hyatt <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 19 Apr 1995 15:13:28 -0400 (EDT)
        Subj:   humanities.literature.english.shakespeare
 
 
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From:           Edward Rocklin <
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Date:           Wednesday, 19 Apr 95 17:42:55 PDT
Subject: 6.0320  Insults and Apologies
Comment:        RE: SHK 6.0320  Insults and Apologies
 
Loved the connection with Richard III and our more local and less self-
conscious buffoons.  "I thank my God for my humility" has always seemed to me
to be not only hilarious but also perfect in what it does and in defining the
set of attributes that can never be self-proclaimed.
 
Thanks again
Edward Rocklin
 
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From:           W. L. Godshalk <
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Date:           Wednesday, 19 Apr 1995 22:55:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 6.0317  Qs: Troilus and Cressida
Comment:        Re: SHK 6.0317  Qs: Troilus and Cressida
 
I think Chris Stroffolino may be interested in Harold Brooks, "TROILUS AND
CRESSIDA: Its Dramatic Unity and Genre," in "Fanned and Winnowed Opinions":
Shakespearean Essays Presented to Harold Jenkins, ed. John Mahon and Thomas
Pendleton (London: Methuen, and I don't have the date) 6-25. This is a good
general essay that does deal with the doubleness in the play and, God bless the
mark! with characters. (Angels and ministers of grace defend us!)
 
Yours, Bill Godshalk
 
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From:           Juliet A. Youngren <
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Date:           Thursday, 20 Apr 1995 10:21:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:        Don John
 
Given Don John's quote about Claudio ("He hath all the glory of my overthrow")
coupled with the idea, noted in the discussion of _Macbeth_, that when one guy
screws up someone else gets his job--it seems to me one could postulate that
Claudio had been instrumental in squashing Don John's failed rebellion.  Either
he exposed it to Don Pedro, or he played a more active role in suppressing it.
Then Pedro goes and forgives John, so he is not only defeated but humiliated,
and he could be blaming all that on Claudio.  It would give him a powerful
motive for revenge.
 
Juliet Youngren
 
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From:           Mather Susan <
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Date:           Thursday, 20 Apr 1995 17:15:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 6.0302  Q: Stratford Festivals and Teaching
Comment:        Re: SHK 6.0302  Q: Stratford Festivals and Teaching
 
Dear Bill Dynes,
 
I'm not sure what insight I can give you but, I have attended two classes at
Kent State University with Dr. Wagner, who I believe can be

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 -I could be mistaken.  Being a Shakespeare
professor, he might be part of listserv.  But anyway, our class had to read the
plays that we were attending at the Festival and respond to them in journal
entries before we went to the performances.  We then had to meet in a group
before each performance and discuss things like--"How do you think the director
will stage the scene where Cleopatra has Antony lifted up to her, without
making it comical?"  We also attended "Talking Theatre" and had interviews with
then, "Cleopatra", Goldie Semple and "Antony", Leon Pownall (I think that's his
last name).  These were set up by Lisa Brudy, an educational correspondent that
Dr. Wagner knew.  She can be reached I believe at the Festival theatre.  After
the performances, we were to write another journal entry and eventually, we
were expected to write an essay on some aspect of the experience.  When I wrote
my essay on A Midsummer Night's Dream and Measure for Measure, for instance, I
worked in how the director staged the women's roles--hence, a feminist
approach.  I really think that it is important to incorporate sometimes what it
is either what the director is thinking when s/he directs a play or what you as
the viewer thought when you finally saw the play.  I hope this was helpful--I
can find out the number for Lisa Brudy if you need it--or you can reach Dr.
Wagner by telephone at Kent Stark--1(216)499-9600 or 1(216)535-3377.
 
Have a good time at Stratford, I wish I could join you but, I'm just a poor,
grad. student,
 
                                Susan Mather
 
[You might also wish to read Richard Paul Knowles's piece on the 1993 season
in SQ 45.2: 211-225.  --HMC]
 
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Date:           Wednesday, 19 Apr 1995 15:13:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:        humanities.literature.english.shakespeare
 
I recently forwarded to this list a proposal for a Shakespeare Usenet newsgroup
(humanities.literature.english.shakespeare).
 
It has been brought to my attention that the section in the Request For
Discussion dealing with the shaksper list might be misconstrued. Hardy Cook is
to be applauded for his work in maintaining this list. My only intent was to
indicate why the new Usenet newsgroup should be unmoderated, not to comment on
the moderation of the shaksper list.
 
And just to calm any possible fears: there are NO plans to gate the new group
to the shaksper list.  Just another place on the "net" to discuss Shakespeare,
that's all.  It is expected that a proposal for a new Usenet group should be
cross-posted to mailing lists on the same or very similar topics as a matter of
information and courtesy.  Some of the people here (like me) will want to look
in on the newsgroup, so we might have some thoughts about where to place the
group (for example, in the rec.arts.books.* hierarchy vs the new humanities.*
hierarchy).
 
Martin B. Hyatt (Marty)  
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Duquesne University, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania USA
 

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