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Re: The Sonnets. All of 'em
Shakespeare Electronic Conference, Vol. 7, No. 0063.  Thursday, 25 January 1996.

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        Date:   Wednesday, 24 Jan 96 09:59:48 EST
        Subj:   Re: SHK 7.0062  The Sonnets. All of 'em

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        Date:   Wednesday, 24 Jan 1996 11:09:35 -0500 (EST)
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        Date:   Wednesday, 24 Jan 1996 07:13:21 -0800 (PST)
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(4)     From:   Terry Ross <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 24 Jan 1996 10:41:41 -0500 (EST)
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        Date:   Wednesday, 24 Jan 1996 12:46:41 -0500 (EST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 7.0062 The Sonnets, V & A

(6)     From:   Nora Kreimer <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 24 Jan 1996 19:29:04 ARG
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(7)     From:   Catherine Fitzmaurice <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 24 Jan 1996 23:14:44 -0500 (EST)
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From:           Nina Rulon-Miller <
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Date:           Wednesday, 24 Jan 96 09:59:48 EST
Subject: 7.0062  The Sonnets. All of 'em
Comment:        Re: SHK 7.0062  The Sonnets. All of 'em

For Eric Armstrong on the Sonnets:

For "hot" and "new" (new since Booth, at any rate) work on the Sonnets, try
Joseph Pequigney's _Such Is My Love: A Study of Shakespeare's Sonnets_, U
Chicago P, 1985. Very controversial homoerotic interpretation. I'd be
interested to hear others' responses to this book. I found it convincing.

Nina Rulon-Miller

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Date:           Wednesday, 24 Jan 1996 11:09:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 7.0062 The Sonnets. All of 'em
Comment:        Re: SHK 7.0062 The Sonnets. All of 'em

Many years ago 1986 I read a neat book by G Hammond titled The Reader and
Shakespeare's young man sonnets.  Then I had a high school Shakespeare class
perform, read, present the sonnets a la Spoon River Anthology. Different
methods of presentation included traditional and rap and chorus.  Some read in
the traditional style, some leaned towards a rap presentaiton which worked
quite well and then some sang in a chorus type presentaiton.  I still have some
of my colleagues speak of how successful it was.  The kids absolutely loved it.
 Now that is high school and it was not intended for a scholarly audience.  I
was looking to make Shakespeare approachable to high school kids.  It worked
and it was actually fun.

Cheers,
Ted

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Date:           Wednesday, 24 Jan 1996 07:13:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 7.0062 The Sonnets. All of 'em
Comment:        Re: SHK 7.0062 The Sonnets. All of 'em

I love the sonnets, and have done some of them in readings on manyt occasions
over the past 30 years.  I would say that they require a minute each, and a
five-second pause.  You then have a roughly three-hour performance, which is
not out of line with expectations for an evening at the theater.  They offer
any audience that can understand them a great deal, and their rhythm and pacing
can present enromous opportunities for creative expression.  A telling
performance would also sense Shakespeare's exhaustion as a poet in this form
when he begins to repeat himself, and acknowledge that even the greatest mind
in literary history had limits.

Best,
Joe Shea

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Date:           Wednesday, 24 Jan 1996 10:41:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 7.0062 The Sonnets. All of 'em
Comment:        Re: SHK 7.0062 The Sonnets. All of 'em

The sonnets taken together are 2155 lines--about as long as one of the short
plays (between "A Midsummer Night's Dream" and "Two Gentlemen of Verona" in
length).  It should take you two hours or so.

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Date:           Wednesday, 24 Jan 1996 12:46:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 7.0062 The Sonnets, V & A
Comment:        Re: SHK 7.0062 The Sonnets, V & A

I have not seen the sonnets performed, but I have seen Venus and Adonis staged,
in Glasgow, 1992.  It was very interesting, and I think it was well worth a
try.  The interesting thing, for me, is that when I saw Shakespeare's
non-dramatic work on stage it made me long for the flat page and the flexible
tones it creates, whereas we are all very accustomed to having the inverse
feeling; reading a play and longing for a sense of its dramatic impact.  For
instance, it was impossible to laugh at either Adonis or Venus, because it came
off as a melencholy love tragedy.  Don't get me wrong; I would love to see, by
its notable absense, what we're missing by staging poetry.

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Date:           Wednesday, 24 Jan 1996 19:29:04 ARG
Subject: 7.0062  The Sonnets. All of 'em
Comment:        Re: SHK 7.0062  The Sonnets. All of 'em

I think that having the complete sequence of the sonnets is a brilliant idea. I
have taught several postgraduate courses and held seminars, when I wouldn't
have thought of eliminating one.

I think that the fundamental issue concerning the complete 154 sonnets is to
keep the sequence of the Q of 1609, because, when you do, a wonderful drama
emerges. I feel that the autobiographical approach to the sonnets is the only
way. Naturally, there will be others, who will hold exactly the opposite view.

There is a book I'm very fond of quoting, which my students and I find very
useful. It's a relatively oldish one, but irreplaceable in my eyes:

Robert Giroux, 1982,  THE BOOK KNOWN AS Q: A CONSIDERATION OF SHAKESPEARE'S
        SONNETS, A Vintage Book, USA. This edition 1983.

What I find so interesting about this work is a division of the traditional
sequence into 12 subgroups, occasionally linking sonnets that antiphonally echo
one another, or follow up an idea into one another, etc.

Hope you find this info useful. If you need further comments, don't hesitate to
contact me.

Nora Kreimer
Ugarteche 2883   1A
1425 Buenos Aires
Argentina
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Date:           Wednesday, 24 Jan 1996 23:14:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 7.0062 The Sonnets. All of 'em
Comment:        Re: SHK 7.0062 The Sonnets. All of 'em

Eric, I did a compilation of 39 sonnets in Los Angeles with the late Duncan
(Bill) Ross and the late Paul Shenar which I chose, ordered, directed, and
acted with them in. It took about an hour, and was also broadcast on KPFK. Ask
me if you want more details.

Catherine Fitzmaurice

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