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Re: Civility; Elsinore; R3 and St. Paul
Shakespeare Electronic Conference, SHK 8.0174.  Tuesday, 4 February 1997.

(1)     From:   Adrian Kiernander <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 4 Feb 1997 17:33:03 +1100 (EST)
        Subj:   Re:  Minimal? Civility?

(2)     From:   Michael Skovmand <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 4 Feb 1997 11:18:20 MET
        Subj:   Re: SHK 8.0164  Re:  Helsingborg

(3)     From:   Jesus Cora <
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        Date:   Monday,  3 Feb 1997 17:53:20 UTC+0100
        Subj:   SHK 8.0161  Qs: R3 and St. Paul


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From:           Adrian Kiernander <
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Date:           Tuesday, 4 Feb 1997 17:33:03 +1100 (EST)
Subject:        Re:  Minimal? Civility?

I enjoyed both the posting and the language it was written in. One vote in
favour from Australia.

Let's not forget that what constitutes civility and the idea of civility itself
are also culturally determined. In an academic context we can surely agree not
to get bogged down in unseemly bienseance. SHAKSPER/Shakespeare is neither the
court of Louis XIV (or thankfully any other king) nor the dining room of
Hyacinth Bouquet. (Do you think I meant count...ry matters? O Seigneur Dieu,
ils sont les mots de son mauvais, corruptible, grosse et impudique, et non pour
les Dames d'Honneur d'user. Tut tut.)

Adrian Kiernander

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From:           Michael Skovmand <
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Date:           Tuesday, 4 Feb 1997 11:18:20 MET
Subject: 8.0164  Re:  Helsingborg
Comment:        Re: SHK 8.0164  Re:  Helsingborg

Allow me , as a Dane to the country born, to make a few corrections in the
discussion about Elsinore Castle:

Elsinore (Castle) is *not* Helsingborg (the Swedish city across the Sound) but
Helsingcr (with the Danish crossed o) (Slot). Helsingcr Slot, built in the
1580's, has no "dreadful summit of the cliff/That beetles o'er his base into
the sea" (Ham.I.4.70-71)  - the beach area north and east of the castle is
fairly flat. It was a heavily fortified castle whose cannon would cover the
northern entrance to the Sound - the passage where the custom duties (the so-
called yenresundstold) were collected. To my knowledge, the tapestries now
hanging at Elsinore are not part of the original castle  - the castle was
sacked by the Swedes, and most of the original tapestries, paintings etc. are
still in Sweden.

Michael Skovmand
Dep't of English
U. of Aarhus.

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From:           Jesus Cora <
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Date:           Monday,  3 Feb 1997 17:53:20 UTC+0100
Subject: Qs: R3 and St. Paul
Comment:        SHK 8.0161  Qs: R3 and St. Paul

Dear David Evett,

I can't recall the exact reference as I haven't got my Bible with me right now,
but wasn't it St. Paul who said "It is better to marry than to burn." That
would be a link with his wooing of Anne.
 

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