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Re: "prince palatine"
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 8.0720.  Saturday, 28 June 1997.

[1]     From:   Richard Dutton <
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        Date:   Friday, 27 Jun 1997 11:56:00 +0100
        Subj:   RE: SHK 8.0717  Re: "county palatine"

[2]     From:   Stuart Manger <
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        Date:   Saturday, 28 Jun 1997 00:53:04 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 8.0717  Re: "prince palatine"

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        Date:   Saturday, 28 Jun 1997 00:48:40 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 8.0714  Q: "prince palatine"


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From:           Richard Dutton <
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Date:           Friday, 27 Jun 1997 11:56:00 +0100
Subject: 8.0717  Re: "county palatine"
Comment:        RE: SHK 8.0717  Re: "county palatine"

Writing as an adoptive Lancastrian, I can confirm Tony Haigh's
recollection that the old Lancashire (before the new counties of
Merseyside and Greater Manchester chopped bits off it) was a County
Palatine. The only other Counties Palatine in England were Cheshire,
under the Earls of Chester, and Durham, under the Prince Bishops: in
those instances the monarchs devolved quasi-regal powers to those
figures as defenders of the realm against respectively the Welsh and the
Scots. In the case of Lancashire it was one of the privileges accorded
to John of Gaunt as Duke of Lancaster (though not to be confused with
the Duchy of Lancaster itself, which was a very different matter).

Richard Dutton,
Lancaster University

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Date:           Saturday, 28 Jun 1997 00:53:04 +0100
Subject: 8.0717  Re: "prince palatine"
Comment:        Re: SHK 8.0717  Re: "prince palatine"

>As a boy growing up in Manchester U.K. I seem to remember references to
>Lancashire as being a "County Palatine."  Can any fellow Mancunians back
>me up on this?
>
>Cheers
>Tony Haigh

True about Manchester. And here's some real trivia: British Rail used to
run an express from Euston to Manchester Piccadilly at noon or
thereabouts I think called 'The County Palatine'. I knew it would come
in useful some day.

Stuart Manger

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Date:           Saturday, 28 Jun 1997 00:48:40 +0100
Subject: 8.0714  Q: "prince palatine"
Comment:        Re: SHK 8.0714  Q: "prince palatine"

>Does anyone know who the historical "prince palatine" was mentioned by
>Portia in "The Merchant of Venice"

Probably from Germany: the Elector Palatine was a major figure in the
Holy Roman Empire, and based in Germany. Parts of the Rhineland are
still to this day, I think, called the Palatinate?

Stuart Manger
 

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