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Re: Postmodernism
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 9.0038  Friday, 9 January 1998.

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        Date:   Thursday, 8 Jan 1998 22:12:06 -0500 (EST)
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        Date:   Friday, 9 Jan 1998 03:01:15 -0500 (EST)
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Date:           Thursday, 8 Jan 1998 22:12:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 9.0030  Re: Postmodernism
Comment:        Re: SHK 9.0030  Re: Postmodernism

The mere suggestion of banning T. Hawkes is very unappealing.  The
actual deed would be, well, beneath us.  I wish I could think of a funny
way to say this, but really-let him speak.  Rudely, if need be.

Laura Fargas

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Date:           Friday, 9 Jan 1998 03:01:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 9.0030  Re: Postmodernism
Comment:        Re: SHK 9.0030  Re: Postmodernism

Ira Abrams wrote:

> I'm not bashing 'pc' nor am I advocating the Spice Girls be canonized
> fact, I hide behind Socrates-"I know that I know nothing."

Yeah, but he was also the sly old fellow who advised "gnothi s'auton"-
most commonly translated 'know thyself.'  Partial as I am to
psychoanalytic readings of nearly everything, I can't help but like
Goethe's retort best:  "If I knew myself, I'd run."

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Date:           Friday, 9 Jan 1998 03:24:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 9.0030  Re: Postmodernism
Comment:        Re: SHK 9.0030  Re: Postmodernism

J. Strax wrote:

[quoting my 'one era's trashy entertainment is another era's gate to the
sublime' passage]

> Which is why it seems to me
> now that this specific postmodernist account I'm reacting to of how
> Dross Turns to Gold through the alchemy that is "the manifest project of
> postmodernism" really is bad science.

Did someone argue postmodernism was "science"?  I certainly didn't mean
to, and didn't notice the post that did.

It's not science at all, to my way of thinking.  It's not art, either.
It's literary criticism, literary theory, cultural theory, whatever.
It's an *idea.*   And it's not how dross becomes gold; it's how gold is
recognized or explained or assayed or whatever.  It's a query into the
nature of "gold" as a judgment or metaphor instead of a metal from the
periodic table.

> But nothing will persuade me against this: an infant registers
> the difference between sublime and disgusting. That's how it gets to
> stay alive, by rooting for mother's milk and glomming on when it finds
> it.

Well, since nothing will persuade you...  But etymologically, 'sublime'
is 'beneath the threshold [of conscious attention],' whereas 'disgust'
is 'bad taste, repellent to the appetite.' Etymologically, at least,
these things are not opposites, but somehow they have traveled forward
in time to a point where they can be plausibly used as such.

There was a joke when I was in grade school that seems like an
illustration of where postmodernism starts.-Teacher:  there are two
words you should never use.  One of them is 'swell,' and the other is
'lousy.' Kid:  Yeah?  What are they?
 

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