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Re: Representations of Clergy
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 9.0964  Thursday, 8 October 1998.

[1]     From:   Gerda Grice <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 7 Oct 1998 16:40:48 -0400 (EDT)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 9.0952 Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640

[2]     From:   Tom Berger <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 07 Oct 1998 16:01 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640

[3]     From:   John Jowett <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 7 Oct 1998 21:14:08 GMT
        Subj:   Re: SHK 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640

[4]     From:   Alan Somerset <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 07 Oct 1998 17:21:32 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640

[5]     From:   James P. Lusardi <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 07 Oct 1998 16:22:01 -0500 (CDT)
        Subj:   RE: SHK 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640

[6]     From:   John Drakakis <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 7 Oct 1998 22:37:28 +0100
        Subj:   RE: SHK 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640

[7]     From:   Larry Weiss <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 07 Oct 1998 21:44:31 -0400
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[8]     From:   Sean Lawrence <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 07 Oct 1998 19:05:22 -0700
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From:           Gerda Grice <
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Date:           Wednesday, 7 Oct 1998 16:40:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 9.0952 Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640
Comment:        Re: SHK 9.0952 Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640

I can't remember his name and I don't have the text readily available,
but as I recall the friar in _Measure for Measure_ (the one who assists
the Duke, not, of course, the Duke himself in disguise) is presented in
a positive light.

Gerda Grice
Ryerson Polytechnic University
Toronto, Canada

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From:           Tom Berger <
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Date:           Wednesday, 07 Oct 1998 16:01 -0500
Subject: 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640
Comment:        Re: SHK 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640

Oh dear, it's time for Tom to toot his own horn.

See AN INDEX OF CHARACTERS IN ENGLISH PRINTED DRAMA TO THE RESTORATION
(1975) but about to reappear as AN INDEX OF CHARACTERS IN EARLY MODERN
DRAMA, with additions of lost plays, and Latin plays, etc. Finding
Lists, etc.  This will appear from Cambridge next month or the mo month
after, perhaps even in this year.

There are 128+ priests, 60+ Friars, 50+ bishops, etc.

There are other horns.  The late William C. Bradford helped (read
co-compiled) me compile the first index, and Sidney Sondergard did the
same for the expanded version. It's a nifty piece of work, he said,
modestly.

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From:           John Jowett <
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Date:           Wednesday, 7 Oct 1998 21:14:08 GMT
Subject: 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640
Comment:        Re: SHK 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640

Helen Ostovich asks about positive representatives of clergymen.  I
guess the strawberry-growing Bishop of Ely in Richard III has clean
hands.  (But green or red fingers?)

John Jowett

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From:           Alan Somerset <
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Date:           Wednesday, 07 Oct 1998 17:21:32 -0400
Subject: 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640
Comment:        Re: SHK 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640

The only male who makes any sense in the aborted wedding scene in Much
Ado About Nothing in Friar Francis (who, although a friar, can perform
marriages).  And while Friar Laurence fails in Romeo and Juliet, his
motives are not corrupt.

Alan Somerset

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Date:           Wednesday, 07 Oct 1998 16:22:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640
Comment:        RE: SHK 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640

Dear Helen O.:

Do clergywomen qualify?  How about the Abbess Emilia in Comedy of
Errors?  Or the novice nun Isabella in Measure?  Also in Measure, you've
got a couple of inoffensive clerics in Thomas and Peter, along with the
ambiguous Duke/Friar, who tries to represent both Church and State.

Jim L.

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Date:           Wednesday, 7 Oct 1998 22:37:28 +0100
Subject: 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640
Comment:        RE: SHK 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640

What about the Friar in Mucha Do About Nothing.  He's pretty
unequivocal, and he has good reading skills too.

Cheers,
John Drakakis

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Date:           Wednesday, 07 Oct 1998 21:44:31 -0400
Subject: 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640
Comment:        Re: SHK 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640

Helen Ostovich asked for

> positive representations of clergymen in early modern drama

How about Friar Francis in MA/N?

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From:           Sean Lawrence <
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Date:           Wednesday, 07 Oct 1998 19:05:22 -0700
Subject: 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640
Comment:        Re: SHK 9.0952  Q: Representations of Clergy 1560-1640

In most productions I've seen, some of the various men warning Faustus
are portrayed as clergymen.  I don't know if there's much textual
support for the notion, however, other than the fact that most of the
students and faculty of Wittenberg were in holy orders.

Cheers,
Sean.
 

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