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Re: Food and Cooking; Wittgenstein; ArdenNet
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 9.0991  Tuesday, 13 October 1998.

[1]     From:   Evelyn Gajowski <
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        Date:   Monday, 12 Oct 1998 20:29:16 -0700 (PDT)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 9.0970  Q: Shakespeare: Food and Cooking

[2]     From:   David Schalkwyk <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 13 Oct 1998 11:29:48 SAST-2
        Subj:   Re: SHK 9.0971  Re: Interpretational Practices; TNK; Thesis; "B

[3]     From:   Justin Bacon <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 13 Oct 1998 00:05:38 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 9.0947  Re: New from ArdenNet


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From:           Evelyn Gajowski <
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Date:           Monday, 12 Oct 1998 20:29:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 9.0970  Q: Shakespeare: Food and Cooking
Comment:        Re: SHK 9.0970  Q: Shakespeare: Food and Cooking

To Patricia Cornett:

I suggest checking out Sue Hull's *Chaste, Silent, and Obedient: English
Books for Women, 1475-1640* (Huntington Library, 1982).  It includes a
brief discussion of recipe books and a lengthy annotated bib of books
which were addressed to a female reading public.  The latter includes
twenty-two cookbooks or recipe books among the eighty-five books which
are listed in the practical, or how-to-do-it, category.

Evelyn Gajowski
University of Nevada, Las Vegas

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From:           David Schalkwyk <
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Date:           Tuesday, 13 Oct 1998 11:29:48 SAST-2
Subject: 9.0971  Re: Interpretational Practices; TNK; Thesis;
Comment:        Re: SHK 9.0971  Re: Interpretational Practices; TNK; Thesis;
"B

> David Schalkwyk says that ' To Wittgenstein *all* Shakespeare is bad.'
> Not quite. Wittgenstein said that Shakespeare's similes were 'in the
> ordinary sense' bad, but he concluded, intriguingly, that 'they must be
> a law to themselves'. The 'enormous amount of praise' lavished on
> Shakespeare certainly struck him as merely 'the conventional thing to
> do', and who'd disagree with that?  But his own response was rather more
> complex and, I'd say, refreshing.
>
> Terence Hawkes

I  stand corrected, Terry.  Your "not quite" is spot on.   I meant to
convey the fact that Wittgenstein does not distinguish between "good"
Shakespeare (Lear) and "bad" Shakespeare (Pericles), but dislikes *all*
the work.  Now Wittgenstein would be the first to distinguish between
saying that something is bad and saying that one doesn't like it, and
his response is certainly "complex and refreshing".  This is some of
what he does say:

If Shakespeare is great, his greatness is displayed only in the whole
*corpus* of his plays, which create their *own* language and world.  (
_Culture and Value_, p. 83e).

I am *deeply* suspicious of most of Shakespeare's admirers.  The
misfortune is, I believe, that he stands by himself, at least in the
culture of the west, so that one can only place him by placing him
wrongly.  (p. 84e)

[Shakespeare's] pieces give me the impression of enormous *sketches*
rather than paintings; as thouh they had been *dashed off* by someone
who can permit himself *anything*, so to speak.  And I can understand
how someone can admire that and call it *supreme* art, but I don't like
it.-So if anyone stands in fromt of these pieces speechless, I can
understand him; but anyone who admires them as one admires, say,
Beethoven, seems to me to misunderstand Shakespeare.  (p. 86e)

David Schalkwyk

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From:           Justin Bacon <
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Date:           Tuesday, 13 Oct 1998 00:05:38 -0500
Subject: 9.0947  Re: New from ArdenNet
Comment:        Re: SHK 9.0947  Re: New from ArdenNet

David Lindley wrote:

> I did check the ArdenNet site, to find I was required to 'register'
> now'.  Generally, on principle, I don't like registering with internet
> sites, since this seems to be the route that enables unwanted email
> messages to come flooding in.
>
> Could we have some reassurances as to what registering as a user of this
> site might lead to??

I can offer such assurances. Although I must admit that I rarely use the
services of ArdenNet I have been registered for over a year at this
point, IIRC. In that time I have received perhaps a half dozen messages
from Nicholas Kind-and that is only because I checked the little box
saying I wanted site updates periodically.

Justin Bacon

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