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Re: Psalm 46
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 10.0034  Sunday, 10 January 1999.

[1]     From:   Carl Fortunato <
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        Date:   Friday, 8 Jan 1999 09:27:10 EST
        Subj:   Re: SHK 10.0029  Re: Psalm 46

[2]     From:   Robin Hamilton <
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        Date:   Friday, 8 Jan 1999 14:28:49 -0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 10.0029  Re: Psalm 46

[3]     From:   Jimmy Jung <
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        Date:   Friday, 08 Jan 1999 10:44:17 -0500
        Subj:   Psalm 46


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From:           Carl Fortunato <
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Date:           Friday, 8 Jan 1999 09:27:10 EST
Subject: 10.0029  Re: Psalm 46
Comment:        Re: SHK 10.0029  Re: Psalm 46

>  As Pervez Rizvi suggests, this psalm 46 thing seems to come round with
>  increasing frequency.
>
>  If you consider it carefully-the words "shake" and "spear," and their
>  position (46 words down and 46 words up in the 46th psalm) -- is it at
>  all possible that such a thing could occur just by chance?

Actually, yes.

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From:           Robin Hamilton <
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Date:           Friday, 8 Jan 1999 14:28:49 -0000
Subject: 10.0029  Re: Psalm 46
Comment:        Re: SHK 10.0029  Re: Psalm 46

>If you consider it carefully-the words "shake" and "spear," and their
>position (46 words down and 46 words up in the 46th psalm) -- is it at
>all possible that such a thing could occur just by chance?

Yes.

>May we not conclude that it's fairly definite that someone (Will himself
>or someone wishing to give him what they may have thought would be his
>Warholian 15 minutes of fame) planted his name there?

No.

Robin Hamilton

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From:           Jimmy Jung <
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Date:           Friday, 08 Jan 1999 10:44:17 -0500
Subject:        Psalm 46

I've had many conversations with my office mate, who studies his Bible
religiously, about the writing and translating of the Bible.  At his
suggestion, we took a look at his New International Version of the
Bible, trying to determine how much latitude a translator could take
with the passage.  In the NIV, the words "quake" and "spear" were used.
And, after looking at seven version of the Bible, I found that the term
spear was always used.  The term shake is used three times, with
shaking, quake, and two trembles being the other variations.  It leads
me to believe that the circumstance is more likely coincidence.  The
other variable would be where the words appear in the text.  Again
shake, tremble and quake was usually 45 or 46th, spear usually 41st or
42nd, but sometimes 52nd from the end.

On the other hand, the timing is right, wouldn't England's foremost
writer be involved in the King's translation?  Is this the only
"evidence" we have? and has Doctor Foster tried his famous computer
against the text?

The complete details of my brief research are below.  I suspect my
results may also be confused by not knowing which translations and
versions might have been derived from each other.  I used the "Bible
Browser" at

http://goon.stg.brown.edu/bible_browser/pbform.shtml

Version, first word, second word, position of 1st word from beginning,
position of 2nd from the end.

Revised Standard, tremble, spear, 39, 41
American Standard, tremble, spear, 46, 45
Young's literal translation, shake, spear, 44, 42
Holy Bible by Noah Webster, shake, spear, 45, 41
Bible in Basic English, shaking, spear, 52, 52
KJV, shake spear, 46, 46
New International version, quake, spear

jimmy

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