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Civility
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 10.0118  Thursday, 21 January 1999.

From:           Larry Weiss <
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Date:           Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:33:28 -0500
Subject:        Civility

Mike Jensen quoted me as saying

>Let's stop bashing Terry just because its fun.

and added

>It is rather, but the purpose isn't bashing.  We went through this a
>year or more ago, so I'll keep it brief.  Prof. Hawkes deliberately
>says
>rude and provocative things.  Some like it.  Some loath it.  On the
>two
>or three occasions that he has provided real content, I have been
>grateful for his messages.  In my view, the vast majority are just
>pointless exercises of what passes for wit.  It is has been dubbed
>irony
>to justify it.  In my mind there is no justification, but Prof. Hawkes
>and some others persist.

>Besides, his style rather invites it.  We are justified in claiming,
>"Terry hit me first."

>I believe you owe Harry Hill an apology.

I don't think I said anything to offend Harry Hill, even inadvertently.
If I did, I apologize.

In any event, my point was not to defend Terence Hawkes.  Anyone who has
paid the slightest attention to what I have posted here would know that
I would be among the last to defend anyone who describes himself as a
"cultural materialist."  Rather, I was just suggesting that maybe it
might be a good idea to stop treating everything he says as deserving of
opprobrium just because he is "rude and provocative."  In the case in
point, the distinction he made between drama and theatre was a valid
one, and to object just because you don't like the proponent is neither
scholarly nor gentlemanly.

It seems to me that the best reply to someone trying to be provocative
is the most frustrating-don't be provoked.  Ignore it; just as I am
ignoring that lengthy, scurrilous and probably inaccurate attack on Rep.
Hyde, which has nothing to do with the purpose of this List.  You know
the one I mean; the one which ends with an unnecessarily complete
quotation of a work which is undoubtedly still under copyright.

Larry Weiss
 

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