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Re: Paper Mills
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 10.0779  Thursday, 29 April 1999.

[1]     From:   Robert Knapp <
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        Date:   28 Apr 99 06:52:57 PDT
        Subj:   Re: SHK 10.0766 Re: Paper Mills

[2]     From:   Tad Davis <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 10:03:26 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 10.0766 Re: Paper Mills

[3]     From:   John T. Aney <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 10:23:58 -0700
        Subj:   Amazon.com's response

[4]     From:   John Cox <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 14:12:07 -0400
        Subj:   Amazon.com and paper mills

[5]     From:   Brian Jay Corrigan <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 14:17:01 -0400
        Subj:   PAPER MILLS, THE FINAL ROUND

[6]     From:   Meg Powers Livingston <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 12:02:43 -0700
        Subj:   Amazon.com and paper mills

[7]     From:   Syd Kasten <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 22:48:33 +0300
        Subj:   SHK 10.0755 Re: Paper Mills

[8]     From:   Carol A. Cole <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 18:04:58 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 10.0766 Re: Paper Mills

[9]     From:   Carol A. Cole <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 18:04:58 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 10.0766 Re: Paper Mills

[10]    From:   Larry Barkley <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 20:57:08 -0700
        Subj:   Amazon.com and Junglepage.com

[11]    From:   Larry Barkley <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 21:37:14 -0700
        Subj:   Amazon.com and Junglepage.com


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From:           Robert Knapp <
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Date:           28 Apr 99 06:52:57 PDT
Subject: 10.0766 Re: Paper Mills
Comment:        Re: SHK 10.0766 Re: Paper Mills

Amazon.com acknowledges making junglepage an associate.  Here's their
response to my complaint:

Hello from Amazon.com,

Thanks for writing to us about our Associate at junglepage.com.  We will
be looking into the nature of this site further.

We will not associate with sites that

          promote sexually explicit materials
          promote violence
          promote discrimination based on race, sex, religion,
            nationality, disability, sexual orientation, or age
          promote illegal activities
          violate intellectual property rights

Let us know if we can answer any further questions for you.

Best regards,

Jennifer Jenkins
Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com

Of course papermills don't do any of the bad things that Amazon claims
to deplore.  They just encourage lying and cheating, vices deeply
embedded in American culture.  I predict that Amazon will be guided
exclusively by a profit calculation: where are the largest number of
potential customers, among outraged pedagogues or among cheating high
school and college students.

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From:           Tad Davis <
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Date:           Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 10:03:26 -0400
Subject: 10.0766 Re: Paper Mills
Comment:        Re: SHK 10.0766 Re: Paper Mills

Michael Cohen wrote:

>Before you start threatening boycotts and other Dire Righteous
>Vengeance, it might be worthwhile to dig a little deeper.

I'm certainly in favor of digging deeper. On the other hand, this was
not simply a link to another Web site, as some responses have implied;
it was in a box of icons specifically designated "Our Sponsors". Whether
the sponsorship was real or as dishonest as a ghosted term paper, a
little dismay is certainly in order.

As of this morning, both the Amazon.Com icon and the designation "Our
Sponsors" are missing from the page.

Tad

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From:           John T. Aney <
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Date:           Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 10:23:58 -0700
Subject:        Amazon.com's response

Anyone from the SHAKSPER list who filed a complaint with amazon.com
probably received a similar response, but I thought I would forward this
anyway.  After reading the original message re: Paper Mills my wife
immediately fired off a complaint to Amazon.com from her own account at
the University of Washington, and attached is the response she received
(within a few hours).

John T. Aney
Mountlake Terrace, WA

Thank you very much for bringing this to our attention.  We've looked
into this and found that junglepages.com had been a member of the
Amazon.com Associates Program.  This program now includes over 250,000
web sites that recommend our service to their visitors in exchange for a
small percentage of the sales they generate.

We never handle orders for the products offered for sale by our
Associates, and certainly never took orders for the essays and papers
sold by junglepages.com.  It's also inappropriate for an Associate to
claim that they are "sponsored by" Amazon.com, which implies a level of
endorsement that we explicitly do not offer any of our Associates and
did not offer to junglepages.com.

Many web sites do not qualify to join or remain in the Amazon.com
Associates program, and upon review we have decided to terminate this
account effective immediately.  We have requested that our logo and
brand name be removed from the site, and hope that this will be
completed shortly.

Thanks again for writing to express your concerns, and for giving us a
chance to take the proper action.

Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

Sincerely,

Marco H. Sawrey
Amazon.com Associates Program
http://www.amazon.com/associates
Books, Music and More...

  > Subject: Amazon.com, Re: Internet paper mills
  > From: 
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  > To: Mary Dakin <
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  >
  > Dear Mary,
  >
  > Thank you for writing to us at Amazon.com. I am very glad that you
  > have brought this problem to our attention. Amazon.com does not
  > support plagiarism or cheating. We also do not sponsor individual
  > web-sites. We do, however, have an associates program, where owners
of
  > various web-sites can display an Amazon.com banner, and receive a
small
  > percentage of all sales which are placed by people using this link.
  >
  > After researching the information that you sent to us, I have
  > ascertained that the website you mentioned, junglepage.com, is
indeed
  > one of our associates. I have sent a copy of your mail to the
  > associate program managers at Amazon.com, so that they may review
this
  > situation.
  >
  > Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We truly value this
kind
  > of feedback, as it helps us continue to improve our store and
provide
  > better service to our customers.
  >
  > Feel free to contact us any time--we will always be glad to hear
  > your questions or comments.  We hope to see you again at Amazon.com!
  >
  >
  > Best regards,
  >
  > Catherine Carey Page
  > Amazon.com
  > Earth's Biggest Selection
  > http://www.amazon.com/

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From:           John Cox <
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Date:           Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 14:12:07 -0400
Subject:        Amazon.com and paper mills

In response to what I've read on this website about Amazon.com and paper
mills, I wrote to Amazon.com, expressing my concern.  Here is their
reply:

***********

Thank you very much for bringing this to our attention.  We've looked
into this and found that junglepages.com had been a member of the
Amazon.com Associates Program.  This program now includes over 250,000
web sites that recommend our service to their visitors in exchange for a
small percentage of the sales they generate.

We never handle orders for the products offered for sale by our
Associates, and certainly never took orders for the essays and papers
sold by junglepages.com.  It's also inappropriate for an Associate to
claim that they are "sponsored by" Amazon.com, which implies a level of
endorsement that we explicitly do not offer any of our Associates and
did not offer to junglepages.com.

Many web sites do not qualify to join or remain in the Amazon.com
Associates program, and upon review we have decided to terminate this
account effective immediately.  We have requested that our logo and
brand name be removed from the site, and hope that this will be
completed shortly.

Thanks again for writing to express your concerns, and for giving us a
chance to take the proper action.

Warmest regards,
Michael Daisey
Amazon.com
More than 4.7 million titles.
Earth's Biggest Selection.

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From:           Brian Jay Corrigan <
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Date:           Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 14:17:01 -0400
Subject:        PAPER MILLS, THE FINAL ROUND: FWD: Your Amazon.com Inquiry

Colleagues:

Below please find the official reply to our concerns over
junglepages.com. You will note that after some exculpating verbiage the
main point is amazon.com will terminate all contact with the offending
paper mill.

Looks like a good day's work to me.

Cheers,
Brian Jay Corrigan

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Thank you very much for bringing this to our attention.  We've looked
into this and found that junglepages.com had been a member of the
Amazon.com Associates Program.  This program now includes over 250,000
web sites that recommend our service to their visitors in exchange for a
small percentage of the sales they generate.

We never handle orders for the products offered for sale by our
Associates, and certainly never took orders for the essays and papers
sold by junglepages.com.  It's also inappropriate for an Associate to
claim that they are "sponsored by" Amazon.com, which implies a level of
endorsement that we explicitly do not offer any of our Associates and
did not offer to junglepages.com.

Many web sites do not qualify to join or remain in the Amazon.com
Associates program, and upon review we have decided to terminate this
account effective immediately.  We have requested that our logo and
brand name be removed from the site, and hope that this will be
completed shortly.

Thanks again for writing to express your concerns, and for giving us a
chance to take the proper action.

Warmest regards,

Michael Daisey
Amazon.com
More than 4.7 million titles.
Earth's Biggest Selection.

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From:           Meg Powers Livingston <
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Date:           Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 12:02:43 -0700
Subject:        Amazon.com and paper mills

Here is another (hopefully the last) update on the Amazon.com/Junglepage
paper mill connection.  A colleague who also wrote a letter to
Amazon.com has forwarded the response he received to me.  In short, the
note from Amazon.com states, "Upon review we have decided to terminate
this account effective immediately.  We have requested that our logo and
brand name be removed from the site, and hope that this will be
completed shortly.  Thanks again for writing to express your concerns,
and for giving us a chance to take the proper action."

Thanks to everyone on this list for their interest, assistance, and/or
patience.  It's nice to know that enough academics up in arms can still
wield some influence.  And thanks, too, to Amazon.com for responding so
quickly; I will of course write a follow-up letter to them expressing my
appreciation for the manner in which they handled this situation.

Sincerely,

Meg Powers Livingston
UCLA, Department of English

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From:           Syd Kasten <
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Date:           Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 22:48:33 +0300
Subject: Re: Paper Mills
Comment:        SHK 10.0755 Re: Paper Mills

>From    Naomi Liebler:

>So Bob Dennis thinks that purchasers, not purveyors, of paper-mill
>products are the ones who should be held accountable for fraudulent
>academic presentations?  Hmmmm. I wonder whether he takes the same view
>regarding drug pushers and gun runners:

Drug pushers!?  Gun runners!?  Good grief squared!!! I guess academics
really take plagiarism seriously.  Well, accepting these parallels for
the sake of argument we find the real culprits in the purveyors of the
socioeconomic climate in which drug pushing and gunrunning thrive. In
academia this would correspond to the university cabals that insist that
engineers must have some degree of literacy to earn a B.S., and to the
teachers who lack the qualities necessary to light a spark in their
students.

To:
>>That a student's need for a paper is
>>NOT one of those "legitimate requirements"
>>does not give anyone the right to campaign
>>against the economic livelihood of Amazon.com,
>>which is protected under the Constitution of the
>>United States (privileges and immunities clause??).
>>You have not demonstrated any "irresponsible
>>sponsorship ..." of anything by Amazon.com.

Gabriel Egan replied:

>This would appear to imply that we cannot on this list collectively
>decide that we prefer, say, companies that begin with the letter 'Z'
>over companies that begin with the letter 'A' and mount a campaign to
>encourage purchasers to favour that end of the alphabet.

Surely there is a difference between "campaigning against the
livelihood" and "collectively deciding that we prefer".  I would hate to
see this tested out in a court of law.  I don't doubt that Amazon.com
could better stand the cost even in a losing cause than could Shaksper
in winning.

Now for the bad news and the good news.

First the bad news: Following an earlier suggestion on the list I
decided to check out what "Bibliofind" might offer in the way of
"Anatomy of Melancholy". I received a comprehensive list of collectors
items, criticism etc. as well as moderately priced edition.  However, in
corner of the homepage was a modest announcement:

                  Bibliofind acquired by Amazon.com!

More bad news: Toronto's Britnell's book store has closed.

The good news: Maybe we can get them as a monopoly!

Best wishes,
Syd Kasten

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From:           Carol A. Cole <
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Date:           Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 18:04:58 -0400
Subject: 10.0766 Re: Paper Mills
Comment:        Re: SHK 10.0766 Re: Paper Mills

Someone forwarded this issue to Chaucernet, where it immediately started
a vociferous parallel thread.  This encouraging message was posted
today.  Nice to know our collective efforts were effective.

Carol

Dear Chaucernetters,

Thanks to the efforts of many of you, Amazon.com has apparently seen the
light.  Here's the note I got from them today.

Sincerely,
Edwin Duncan

Thank you very much for bringing this to our attention.  We've looked
into this and found that junglepages.com had been a member of the
Amazon.com Associates Program.  This program now includes over 250,000
web sites that recommend our service to their visitors in exchange for a
small percentage of the sales they generate.

We never handle orders for the products offered for sale by our
Associates, and certainly never took orders for the essays and papers
sold by junglepages.com.  It's also inappropriate for an Associate to
claim that they are "sponsored by" Amazon.com, which implies a level of
endorsement that we explicitly do not offer any of our Associates and
did not offer to junglepages.com.

Many web sites do not qualify to join or remain in the Amazon.com
Associates program, and upon review we have decided to terminate this
account effective immediately.  We have requested that our logo and
brand name be removed from the site, and hope that this will be
completed shortly.

Thanks again for writing to express your concerns, and for giving us a
chance to take the proper action.

Warmest regards,
Michael Daisey
Amazon.com
More than 4.7 million titles.
Earth's Biggest Selection.

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From:           Sally B. Proctor <
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Date:           Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 17:22:57 -1000
Subject: 10.0766 Re: Paper Mills
Comment:        Re: SHK 10.0766 Re: Paper Mills

Apparently amazon.com has done the right thing:

Hello from Amazon.com,

Thank you very much for bringing this to our attention.  We've looked
into this and found that junglepages.com had been a member of the
Amazon.com Associates Program.  This program now includes over 250,000
web sites that recommend our service to their visitors in exchange for a
small percentage of the sales they generate.

We never handle orders for the products offered for sale by our
Associates, and certainly never took orders for the essays and papers
sold by junglepages.com.  It's also inappropriate for an Associate to
claim that they are "sponsored by" Amazon.com, which implies a level of
endorsement that we explicitly do not offer any of our Associates and
did not offer to junglepages.com.

Many web sites do not qualify to join or remain in the Amazon.com
Associates program, and upon review we have decided to terminate this
account effective immediately.  We have requested that our logo and
brand name be removed from the site, and hope that this will be
completed shortly.

Thanks again for writing to express your concerns, and for giving us a
chance to take the proper action.

Best regards,
Jennifer Jenkins
Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com

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From:           Larry Barkley <
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Date:           Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 20:57:08 -0700
Subject:        Amazon.com and Junglepage.com

Dear SHAKSPERians: After reading about Amazon.com's allegedly supporting
a
papermill, I visited Jungle Page.  I was content that Amazon.com was
being presented as a sponsor of the page.  I then contacted Amazon.com,
letting them know I believed their support of Jungle Page was
inappropriate; furthermore, I not only threatened a personal boycott,
but let them know I would contact every colleague I had.  After several
days of an ongoing email conversation, I received the following today:

Hello Mr. Barkley,

Thank you very much for bringing this to our attention.  We've looked
into this and found that junglepages.com had been a member of the
Amazon.com Associates Program.  This program now includes over 250,000
web sites that recommend our service to their visitors in exchange for a
small percentage of the sales they generate.

We never handle orders for the products offered for sale by our
Associates, and certainly never took orders for the essays and papers
sold by junglepages.com.  It's also inappropriate for an Associate to
claim that they are "sponsored by" Amazon.com, which implies a level of
endorsement that we explicitly do not offer any of our Associates and
did not offer to junglepages.com.

Many web sites do not qualify to join or remain in the Amazon.com
Associates program, and upon review we have decided to terminate this
account effective immediately.  We have requested that our logo and
brand name be removed from the site, and hope that this will be
completed shortly.

Thanks again for writing to express your concerns, and for giving us a
chance to take the proper action.

Best regards,
Jennifer Jenkins
Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com

Larry Barkley
(Relieved I can now frequent Amazon.com once again.)

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From:           Larry Barkley <
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Date:           Wednesday, 28 Apr 1999 21:37:14 -0700
Subject:        Amazon.com and Junglepage.com

Dear SHAKSPERians:  As a follow up to my previous message; I just
visited Junglepage.com (9:35 PM PST) and found no icon, link, or
reference to Amazon.com.

Larry Barkley
 

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