The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 10.2072 Wednesday, 24 November 1999.
[1] From: David Skeele <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tuesday, 23 Nov 1999 11:57:29 -0400
Subj: Re: SHK 10.2056 Re: Who was fighting
[2] From: Roger Gross <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tuesday, 23 Nov 1999 12:22:48 -0600 (CST)
Subj: Re: SHK 10.2056 Re: Who was fighting
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From: David Skeele <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tuesday, 23 Nov 1999 11:57:29 -0400
Subject: 10.2056 Re: Who was fighting
Comment: Re: SHK 10.2056 Re: Who was fighting
>David Skeele wrote,
>>No, there is nothing specific in the text that
>>I see which dictates that the war has been between the Dons...
>
>I haven't been following this thread closely, but has anyone yet pointed
>out what Don John says of Claudio - "That young start-up hath all the
>glory of my overthrow" (1.3.66-7 in Riverside)??
>
>Since Claudio has just done Don Pedro honorably service in battle, it
>has always seemed quite obvious to me that the battle WAS between the
>Dons. Am I missing something?
Good point-that line could be taken as referring to a literal
political/military overthrow. I think many directors simply dismiss
that remark as referring to Don John's fall from grace within the
court-even though he's been forgiven, he still is something of a
pariah. But I am not arguing with you-your example only strengthens my
case that the battle should be played as having taken place between
Dons.
Thanks!
David
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From: Roger Gross <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tuesday, 23 Nov 1999 12:22:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: 10.2056 Re: Who was fighting
Comment: Re: SHK 10.2056 Re: Who was fighting
Imagine Iago saying of Cassio 'That young upstart hath all the glory of
my overthrow.'
That's how I take the Don Pedro line about Claudio. It doesn't convince
me that there was a brotherly war.
Roger Gross
U. of Arkansas