1999

Re: Spanish Translation

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 10.1848  Thursday, 28 October 1999.

From:           John Jowett <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 28 Oct 1999 08:58:58 GMT
Subject: 10.1840 Spanish Translation
Comment:        Re: SHK 10.1840 Spanish Translation

In reply to Eduardo del Rio's enquiry about Spanish translations of
Hmalet and Lear: there is what I understand to be an excellent
translation of Hamlet by Angel-Luis Pujante in the Coleccion Austral
series published by Espaca, Madrid (1994).

John Jowett,
The Shakespeare Institute,
Church Street, Stratford upon Avon,

Re: Productions of Much Ado

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 10.1847  Thursday, 28 October 1999.

[1]     From:   Sean Lawrence <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Wednesday, 27 Oct 1999 10:01:32 -0700
        Subj:   Re: SHK 10.1835 Re: Productions of Much Ado

[2]     From:   John Drakakis <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Wednesday, 27 Oct 1999 22:59:55 +0100
        Subj:   RE: SHK 10.1835 Re: Productions of Much Ado



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From:           Sean Lawrence <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Wednesday, 27 Oct 1999 10:01:32 -0700
Subject: 10.1835 Re: Productions of Much Ado
Comment:        Re: SHK 10.1835 Re: Productions of Much Ado

Paul Swanson writes:

>As one SHAKESPEARian said, the forgiveness of Don John by Pedro might
>very well be poignant. But that is The Tempest and The Winter's Tale,
>and I'm not at all sure it fits into what Shakespeare is doing in Much
>Ado About Nothing.

It might also just be politic.  After all, there don't seem to have been
many casualties in this (hypothetical) war between Don John and Don
Pedro, and a peace seems to have been fairly easily made.  Perhaps Don
John's rebellion (if there was one) was more a gambit for some definite
advantage than a really determined effort to overthrow the government.

This might be in keeping with several rebellions, in Shakespeare and in
history.  The rebellion in Henry IV, part 2, is effectively ended by
Prince John accepting all the rebels demands, and the rebellion in part
1 is driven only by a broad assortment of individual complaints about
the ruling monarch.  A. G. Dickens comments somewhere that the
Pilgrimage of Grace wasn't out to destroy the government, and in fact,
that it could only succeed by failing, since its grievances could only
be satisfied by a legitimate government, which could only maintain its
legitimacy if the rebellion was crushed.  In any case, most rebellions
seem to have been efforts to satisfy "grievances" rather than efforts to
overthrow governments.

The reconciliation of Don John and Don Pedro is only hard to believe in
an age of ideologically-driven total war.  If war is only a pursuit of
policy by other means then it need not be much more bitter than party
politics generally are.

By the way, the possibility that Don Pedro hadn't been fighting Don John
had never occurred to me before, so I'm grateful for everyone who's
contributed to this thread so far.

Cheers,
Se


Re: Hamlet

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 10.1845  Thursday, 28 October 1999.

[1]     From:   John Nettles <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Wednesday, 27 Oct 1999 12:18:46 -0400
        Subj:   RE: SHK 10.1842 Re: Hamlet

[2]     From:   H. R. Greenberg <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Wednesday, 27 Oct 1999 18:53:25 EDT
        Subj:   TWILIGHT and Gertrude, was Re: SHK 10.1842 Re: Hamlet

[3]     From:   Richard Regan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 28 Oct 1999 00:01:33 EDT
        Subj:   Re: SHK 10.1842 Re: Hamlet


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From:           John Nettles <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Wednesday, 27 Oct 1999 12:18:46 -0400
Subject: 10.1842 Re: Hamlet
Comment:        RE: SHK 10.1842 Re: Hamlet

>A complaint, loving and unimaginative woman, she is a product of her
>time who marries Claudius, we assume, because of the dependent
>personality that is forced upon her. What would the alternative be? She
>could rule, but she does not strike one as a firm, warrior-woman that
>this society needs, particularly when Norway is threatening.
>Alternatively she could retire and go to a nunnery. Politically, this
>would be a disaster, although Hamlet may appreciate it. Considering her
>choices and responsibilities, she actually makes the common sense choice
>without being aware of the complete story.

It is worth noting that Denmark here is an elective monarchy. The people
have decided to make Claudius king, as later they will call,
unfathomably, for Laertes to be king. Therefore it is unlikely that
Gertrude would have had a chance to rule, even if she wanted to. On the
other hand, the electorate was also needed to sanction Claudius'
marriage to Gertrude, as Claudius indicates in his long-winded address
in I.ii. Thus it may be possible that the remarriage was a necessary
condition of Claudius' ascension.

This is, of course, largely speculative, but I've always had problems
with the notion that Gertrude was somehow this airhead with an
overactive libido. She demonstrates considerable strength and compassion
in all of her dealings with Ophelia, certainly more than any man in the
play does. Furthermore, one wonders just how high such a weak creature
as Gertrude is supposed to be would sit in the estimation of old Hamlet
and the people of Denmark in general.  Gertrude must be a woman worth
the love of Hyperion, or that aspect of the play makes no sense.

John Nettles

John G. Nettles
Instructor, Dept. of Language and Literature
North Georgia College and State University

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From:           H. R. Greenberg <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Wednesday, 27 Oct 1999 18:53:25 EDT
Subject: Gertrude, was Re: SHK 10.1842 Re: Hamlet
Comment:        TWILIGHT and Gertrude, was Re: SHK 10.1842 Re: Hamlet

I haven't been following the Gertrude thread, but am I not wrong in
supposing a powerful amount of scholarship has indicated, on good
assumption, the strong possibility that Gertrude has cuckolded Hamlet 1
with his brother before Claudius kills H1? I've also heard it argued
quite persuasively that in killing Hamlet 1, Claudius is carrying
Gertrude's at least unconscious wishes to have that formidable but quite
possibly icy husband out of the way.

This does not make Gertrude sui generis loathsome, but it sure renders
her character ulcerous to borrow her son's terminology. She is as best
played capable of a great deal of courtliness in the best and worst
sense of that word, as is her husband; and also of an unfeigned
gentleness. Character is complex, and should be complexly played so as
to elicit a variety of emotions.

By the by, if you want to see a real Gertrude like character, take a
look at Susan Sarendon's wonderful portrayal of an aging, glamorous
movie star married to the director (also well played by Gene Hackman)
with whom she shared complicity in her lst husband's death-the film is
TWILIGHT by Robert Benton I believe, or is it Robert Townes, and the
Hamlet part in this case is played by an ex-lover her own age, amazingly
well portrayed by Paul Newman. A sleeper to savor, with strong
Shakespearean overtones.

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From:           Carol Barton <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Wednesday, 27 Oct 1999 21:13:25 EDT
Subject: 10.1842 Re: Hamlet
Comment:        Re: SHK 10.1842 Re: Hamlet

Perry Herzfeld sees Gertrude as "a woman caught miserably at the centre
of a desperate struggle between two 'mighty opposites,' her heart cleft
in twain (III. iv. 156) by divided loyalties to husband and son. She
loves both Claudius and Hamlet, and their conflict leaves her bewildered
and unhappy. .  . . Gertrude for me," he says, " is not an object of
loathing for her inaction; nor is she an object of disgust because of
her lust.  I feel genuinely sorry for her."

You are of course entitled to your pity, Perry, but you take the line
you paraphrase quite out of context: Gertrude's heart is cleft by the
stinging indictment she has tried to pass off as Hamlet's madness
("Mother, for love of grace, lay not that flattering unction to your
soul"-III.iv.144-5), his virtue of her vice pardon begging for the
assault- to which her only other response is the same as that of another
Amazonian paragon of virtue, Scarlett O'Hara, when Margaret Mitchell's
Rhett Butler walks out of her self-serving life for the last time: "What
shall I do?" (III.iv.180) -- one almost automatically inserts the
characteristic "ever."  Her "loyalty" her son is to declare him mad,
"mad as the sea and wind, when both contend / Which is the mightier" in
the very next scene (IV,i.29-30) prompting Claudius to banish him
immediately ("the sun no sooner shall the mountains touch / But we will
ship him hence"): in response to which she doesn't say a word.

This the "quiet, patient, biddable mother and caring wife, who after her
son's violent accusations in her chamber and murder of Polonius, stays
loyal to him by adhering to his wishes"?  God defend me from such
mothers, and such wives.

Carol Barton

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From:           Richard Regan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 28 Oct 1999 00:01:33 EDT
Subject: 10.1842 Re: Hamlet
Comment:        Re: SHK 10.1842 Re: Hamlet

It's interesting to watch Glenn Close as Gertrude in the Zeffirelli
Hamlet.  She is giddy and dependent, but grows into maturity and horror,
especially as she sees Ophelia unravel.

Richard Regan
Fairfield University

Henry V on the Lower East Side

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 10.1846  Thursday, 28 October 1999.

From:           Tom Dale Keever <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Wednesday, 27 Oct 1999 12:38:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:        Henry V on the Lower East Side

Monday night, St. Crispin's Day, saw the premier of a new production of
Henry V at the Mazer Theatre in New York City.  The show runs until
November 14.

For more information, and to hear soundbites of the text by members of
the cast, check out their website:  http://www.henryfive.com/index.html.

Once more, into the breach!

Re: Blond Hair and Blue Eyes

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 10.1844  Thursday, 28 October 1999.

[1]     From:   Martin Green <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Wednesday, 27 Oct 1999 12:13:32 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 10.1833 Blond Hair and Blue Eyes?

[2]     From:   Karen Peterson-Kranz <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 28 Oct 1999 07:53:19 +1000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 10.1833 Blond Hair and Blue Eyes?


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From:           Martin Green <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Wednesday, 27 Oct 1999 12:13:32 -0400
Subject: 10.1833 Blond Hair and Blue Eyes?
Comment:        Re: SHK 10.1833 Blond Hair and Blue Eyes?

Portraits of the third earl of Southampton, Henry Wriothesley, in his
maturity, depict him with brown, or maybe auburn hair. The Hilliard
portrait of Southampton aetat 20 (1594) arguably shows somewhat lighter
hair. Henry's grandfather, Thomas, 1st earl of Southampton of the
Wriothesley line, was described by classmate John Leland as having  (at
the age of 17) golden hair.  The color of Henry's eyes is not clearly
identifiable from the portraits I've seen; it could be hazel, blue or
brown.

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From:           Karen Peterson-Kranz <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 28 Oct 1999 07:53:19 +1000
Subject: 10.1833 Blond Hair and Blue Eyes?
Comment:        Re: SHK 10.1833 Blond Hair and Blue Eyes?

Well...the 1974 Riverside Shakespeare has portraits of them both.  The
painting of Pembroke is by Isaac Oliver and resides at the Folger.  It
looks rather like a miniature, and it also looks like it has faded over
the years, so any ultimate judgements about hair and eye color are
perhaps questionable, but it appears that he is represented as having
blue eyes, with reddish brown hair.  The portrait of Southampton is the
famous Tower commemorative portrait with the cat.  The hair is light
brown, and the eyes are light, but at least in this reproduction you
really can't tell if they are supposed to be blue, gray, green or
hazel.  (The cat is black and white with yellow-green eyes!).

If this goes to the matter of "fair" and "black" in the sonnets, it
would be interesting to know whether the "young man" (young men?) was
literally fair in coloring, or whether the sonnets construct his
fairness conventionally or in opposition to the darkness of the female
recipient of the later sonnets.

You probably have the Riverside on your shelf, and probably were
interested in whether anyone had more conclusive or authoritative
information...but, if not, here it is for what it's worth.  Good luck in
your inquiry.

Cheers,
Karen Peterson-Kranz
Dept. of English & Applied Linguistics
University of Guam

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