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Re: Saints & Sinners
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 11.0315  Tuesday, 15 February 2000.

[1]     From:   David M Richman <
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        Date:   Monday, 14 Feb 2000 12:50:54 -0500 (EST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 11.0304 Saints & Sinners

[2]     From:   Kris McDermott <
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        Date:   Monday, 14 Feb 2000 13:44:06 EST
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[3]     From:   Fran Teague <
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        Date:   Monday, 14 Feb 2000 14:16:27 -0500 (EST)
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[4]     From:   Mary Jane Miller <
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        Date:   Monday, 14 Feb 2000 18:07:48 -0500
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        Date:   Monday, 14 Feb 2000 21:44:06 -0800
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        Date:   Tues, 15 Feb 2000 12:39:29 -0500
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From:           David M Richman <
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Date:           Monday, 14 Feb 2000 12:50:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 11.0304 Saints & Sinners
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0304 Saints & Sinners

On saints and sinners, I would suggest a sonnet.

"Poor soul, the centre of my sinful earth" or "Two loves I have of
comfort and despair."

Cleo Laine and John Dankworth set some of the sonnets, though I don't
recall if they set these.

Best, David Richman

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From:           Kris McDermott <
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Date:           Monday, 14 Feb 2000 13:44:06 EST
Subject: 11.0304 Saints & Sinners
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0304 Saints & Sinners

It isn't exactly about saints and sinners, but Sonnet 144, "Two loves I
have, of comfort and despair...," refers to the friend as "good angel"
and "saint" and the mistress as a "foul devil," "fiend" and "bad
angel."  Though not religious in topic, it might still be appropriate.
All  sonnets can be sung to the tune of "Fortune My Foe."

Kris McDermott
Central Michigan Univ.

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Date:           Monday, 14 Feb 2000 14:16:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 11.0304 Saints & Sinners
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0304 Saints & Sinners

Bernice asks for passages re saints and sinners. Might I suggest looking
at some of the Shakespeare based musicals? In Boys from Syracuse, the
song "He and She" is a possibility, with this conclusion: "And when they
died and went to heaven / All the angels moved to hell." Then there's
the rock musical, Catch My Soul, which was made into a film, Santa Fe
Satan: surely there's some material there?

On a more classical note, there's Iago's "Credo" in Verdi's Otello.

Fran Teague <http://www.arches.uga.edu/~fteague>

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Date:           Monday, 14 Feb 2000 18:07:48 -0500
Subject: 11.0304 Saints & Sinners
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0304 Saints & Sinners

I'll bet many of us point to the wooing sonnet between Romeo and Juliet
when they first meet. Acording to Romeo in best courtly losve fashion,
she is the saint and he not only the Palmer but the sinner - "give me my
sin again ".

Mary Jane

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From:           Meg Powers Livingston <
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Date:           Monday, 14 Feb 2000 21:44:06 -0800
Subject:        Re: Saints & Sinners

>Does anyone know if there is a song or a passage from Sh that could
>become a song on the topic of saints and sinners? The director of a
>student production at Manhattanville would like to end his show with
>such a song.

The first place I would look is Measure for Measure-- lots of sinners
and would-be saints there.

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From:           Christine Mack Gordon <
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Date:           Tues, 15 Feb 2000 12:39:29 -0500
Subject: 11.0304 Saints & Sinners
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0304 Saints & Sinners

Bernice Kliman asked:

> Does anyone know if there is a song or a passage from Sh that could
> become a song on the topic of saints and sinners? The director of a
> student production at Manhattanville would like to end his show with
> such a song.

"The rain it raineth" from _Twelfth NIght_? Or perhaps a setting of
Lancelot's deliberations with his angel and devil in _The Merchant of
Venice_? Neither is explicitly about saints and sinners, but both
capture the flavor of the mixed nature of life.

Chris Gordon
 

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