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Re: Despair and Pride
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 11.0111  Wednesday, 19 January 2000.

[1]     From:   Marti Markus <
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        Date:   Monday, 17 Jan 2000 17:50:54 +0100
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[2]     From:   L. Swilley <
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        Date:   Monday, 17 Jan 2000 12:57:32 -0600
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[3]     From:   Carol Barton <
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        Date:   Monday, 17 Jan 2000 23:28:21 EST
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[4]     From:   Ed Taft <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 18 Jan 2000 08:44:48 -0500 (EST)
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[5]     From:   Jim Lusardi <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 18 Jan 2000 13:29:56 -0500
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[6]     From:   Karen Peterson-Kranz <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 19 Jan 2000 08:36:50 +1000
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From:           Marti Markus <
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Date:           Monday, 17 Jan 2000 17:50:54 +0100
Subject: 11.0102 Despair and Pride
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0102 Despair and Pride

> I've been going batty trying to find a reference to the idea that
> despair is considered a form of pride, theologically.  I seem to recall
> reading this in a piece of Marlowe criticism, some time ago.

Maybe you can find something suitable in the context of "Lucifer and the
fall of the angels"? Despair follows pride there, of course, but maybe
that makes the two inseparable, theologically? (The story seems to be
somewhere in Isaiah, around 14/15, and not, as I would have guessed, in
Genesis). Perhaps the story of Job might lead to some results, too -
something like: the person in despair thinks (or rather: knows) that god
is unable to help and is therefore - if at all - not more "mighty" than
ourselves, which, in the eyes of a believer, could be seen as a form of
pride...

Is there some pond, valley, sea or mountain of despair in Bunyan? I am
too lazy to look that up, but you might find some references there, too.

Cheers,
Markus Marti

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From:           L. Swilley <
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Date:           Monday, 17 Jan 2000 12:57:32 -0600
Subject: 11.0102 Despair and Pride
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0102 Despair and Pride

Since despair is the loss of hope in God's mercy, it seems most
appropriate that it should be related to pride, inasmuch as it suggests
that the despairing person presumes to know the future better than God.
Thomas Aquinas discusses despair in his Summa Theologica, and although
he does not relate it directly to pride - at least that I can find in a
cursory review of the question there - the inference I have made above
appears  to be consistent with Thomas's remarks.  Beyond this, ALL sins
have their source, ultimately, in pride, since  in all sins the sinner
places his will above God's.

         L. Swilley

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From:           Carol Barton <
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Date:           Monday, 17 Jan 2000 23:28:21 EST
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Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0102 Despair and Pride

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