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Re: Seeking Enlightenment
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 11.0146  Monday, 24 January 2000.

[1]     From:   Paul S. Rhodes <
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        Date:   Friday, 21 Jan 2000 11:38:49 -0600
        Subj:   Re: SHK 11.0138 Playboy MND

[2]     From:   Marilyn A. Bonomi <
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        Date:   Friday, 21 Jan 2000 13:48:30 -0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment

[3]     From:   Marti Markus <
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        Date:   Friday, 21 Jan 2000 19:54:14 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment

[4]     From:   Annalisa Castaldo <
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        Date:   Friday, 21 Jan 2000 14:11:51 -0500 (EST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment

[5]     From:   Gabriel Egan <
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        Date:   Saturday, 22 Jan 2000 12:53:31 -0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment

[6]     From:   Mark Aune <
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        Date:   Saturday, 22 Jan 2000 17:29:49 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment

[7]     From:   Jonathan Hope <
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        Date:   Monday, 24 Jan 2000 10:39:40 +0000 (GMT)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment


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From:           Paul S. Rhodes <
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Date:           Friday, 21 Jan 2000 11:38:49 -0600
Subject: 11.0138 Playboy MND
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0138 Playboy MND

I heard Hustler's Version was better.  One would think that a list
devoted to Shakespeare would be immune to these regular promotions of
pornography, both hardcore and softcore.  But one, of course, would be
quite wrong.

Mr. Cook is an able and assiduous editor, to be sure, but with all due
respect I must ask why he will allow promotions of pornography on this
list while ruthlessly muzzling any trace of the Oxfordist debate.  No, I
am not an Oxfordist.  I think Oxfordists are whacko.  My point is simply
this: Mr. Cook does use his capacity as a moderator to act as a censor.
A censor's actions are necessarily judgements.  So, why is the Oxford
Debate (which is simply mindless) judged to be worse than promotions of
pornography (which are not only mindless but patently immoral as well)?

I have made my point and promise not to comment on the matter any
further.

Pax,
Paul

[Editor's Note: One thing a learned early on in my teaching career as a
graduate assistant was that when someone is critical of the way one is
conducting a class the best strategy is for the teacher to refrain from
commenting and open up the complaint to the class. So class what are
your thoughts on this issue? After we have chewed over it for a while, I
will respond in propria persona.  -HMC]

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From:           Marilyn A. Bonomi <
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Date:           Friday, 21 Jan 2000 13:48:30 -0000
Subject: 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment

Thanks for asking, Jack... I didn't want to b/c I figured I was missing
some deeply significant element of Shakespearean scholarship, being
female and "only" a high school teacher :)

Mari

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From:           Marti Markus <
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Date:           Friday, 21 Jan 2000 19:54:14 +0100
Subject: 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment

> I have kept expecting someone else to eventually bring this question up,
> but since it hasn't happened so far, I'll ask it:
>
> What exactly is the benefit of knowing about pornographic versions of
> Shakespeare's works? or that a current Penthouse centerfold identifies
> herself with Juliet?
>
> Just wondering,
> Jack Heller

What is the benefit of knowing about any version of Shakespeare's works?
Is Dr. Bowdler's version any better?

Markus Marti

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From:           Annalisa Castaldo <
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Date:           Friday, 21 Jan 2000 14:11:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment

Just one opinion, but I find these reports from the culture front useful
because it demonstrates just how deeply some parts of Shakespeare's work
have become embedded in American thinking. Since both my teaching and
writing involve Shakespeare as a populist figure, and his works as
relevant on several levels, I both enjoy and need to collect up
references to the plays, wherever they might be (although I admit I have
not yet brought pornographic Shakespeare into the classroom).

Annalisa Castaldo
Temple University

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From:           Gabriel Egan <
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Date:           Saturday, 22 Jan 2000 12:53:31 -0000
Subject: 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment

Jack Heller asks

> What exactly is the benefit of knowing about pornographic
> versions of Shakespeare's works? or that a current
> Penthouse centerfold identifies herself with Juliet?

The benefit is a comforting masculinist reassurance that despite 30
years of feminism, abuse victims can still be coerced into degrading
poses to gratify the infantile sexual power fantasies of adult men. A
tenuous link with Shakespeare and contemporary culture gives this
wank-material an intellectual gloss.

Gabriel Egan

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From:           Mark Aune <
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Date:           Saturday, 22 Jan 2000 17:29:49 -0500
Subject: 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment

In response to Mr. Heller's query, I like to keep track of the way
Shakespeare move through culture, popular and high.  It's part of my
research and teaching interests.  I always enjoy and appreciate the
posts; I could never keep track of the use of the Bard on my own.

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From:           Jonathan Hope <
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Date:           Monday, 24 Jan 2000 10:39:40 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0137 Seeking Enlightenment

> What exactly is the benefit of knowing about pornographic versions of
> Shakespeare's works? or that a current Penthouse centerfold identifies
> herself with Juliet?
>
It's more fun than trainspotting references to the big Willy in Star
Trek.

Jonathan Hope
Middlesex (no pun intended) University
 

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