2000

Re: Hamlet's Books

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 11.2246  Tuesday, 5 December 2000

From:           Paul E. Doniger <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Monday, 4 Dec 2000 17:11:35 -0800
Subject: Re: Hamlet's Books
Comment:        SHK 11.2221 Re: Hamlet's Books

Sean Lawrence responded:

> Paul Doniger writes:
>
> > Actually, Hamlet requested that the First Player perform a speech,
> > "Aeneas Tale To Dido" from an unnamed play (there has been much beating
> > about of brains as to the source of this unknown play).
>
> I thought it was broadly agreed that this comes from a precursor of
> Othello, about a military officer being killed using poisoned fish-eggs,
> I believe entitled "Caviar to the General".  No doubt someone will now
> make an argument that since he stopped people being shot and bulldozed
> into pits, he must have deserved it.

"Aeneas' Tale to Dido" has no reference to _Othello_ that I have ever
seen.  The expression, "'twas caviare to the general" is Hamlet's
comment on the quality of the play: it was too high-brow for the average
theatre-goer. I am unfamiliar with the _Othello_ reference; is it a new
discovery? The Variorum (now approaching a century and a quarter in age)
makes no mention of it.  "Aeneas' Tale to Dido" on the other hand is
clearly influenced by Virgil and Ovid (among others). The usual credo is
that Shakespeare lifted it from Marlowe's _Dido_, but I seriously doubt
that.

Any takers?

Paul E. Doniger

Re: "Invention in a noted weed"

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 11.2245  Tuesday, 5 December 2000

From:           Sam Small <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Monday, 04 Dec 2000 22:09:43 +0000
Subject: 11.2225 Re: "Invention in a noted weed"
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.2225 Re: "Invention in a noted weed"

"I advise any bashful young man to take hashish when he wants to offer
his heart to any fair lady, for it will give him the courage of a hero,
the eloquence of a poet, and the ardour of an Italian"

Dr Meredith in Loisa May Alcott's Perilous Play

Still smiling,
SAM SMALL

Henry VIII bio?

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 11.2243  Tuesday, 5 December 2000

From:           Stephanie Hughes <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Monday, 04 Dec 2000 08:51:59 +0000
Subject: 11.2232 Henry VIII bio?
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.2232 Henry VIII bio?

Dear friends,

In writing about the attitude of Queen Elizabeth towards marriage I am
seeking comments by modern biographers of Henry VIII that his illness
and the deaths of his children may have been caused by syphilis. I would
appreciate greatly suggestions for where to look for related material. I
know I've read it, I just can't remember where.

Thanks,
Stephanie Hughes

Re: Julie Taymor's TITUS

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 11.2244  Tuesday, 5 December 2000

[1]     From:   Sam Small <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Monday, 04 Dec 2000 21:56:29 +0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 11.2205 Re: Julie Taymor's TITUS

[2]     From:   John Briggs <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Tuesday, 5 Dec 2000 08:52:10 -0000
        Subj:   RE: SHK 11.2205 Re: Julie Taymor's TITUS


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From:           Sam Small <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Monday, 04 Dec 2000 21:56:29 +0000
Subject: 11.2205 Re: Julie Taymor's TITUS
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.2205 Re: Julie Taymor's TITUS

Since being a grateful member of this list I have never personally
rebuked a single soul.  I now feel moved to do so and would do it
off-list but for one important reason.  "I hope that those who see this
matter as I do will refuse to play with him any more.  He doesn't play
nice," says my assailant.  I consider this an attempt at list censorship
which I find deeply condescending and not a little disturbing.  Little
Mickey Jensen seems to me like a boorish little boy who can't stand to
see views other than his own.  That's not a bad definition of fascism,
albeit the small town variety.  Many list members proclaim Julie Taymor
as a latter day film genius in absolute terms ("the brilliance of the
line-readings" - "her film has certainly made me a believer" - etc. etc.
etc.) but are never censured by Jensen because they abide by his narrow,
rigid and un-varied vision of all things.  He accuses me of putting
forward challenging notions that illicit robust response.  I see that as
perfectly healthy in such a forum as this.  Shakespeare can be very
demanding and at times appallingly frightening.  My own journey into
Titus left me a little worse for wear, to say the least.

When I get an opposite view in response to my own it does not make me
angry, as it does with little Mickey.  List members can say anything
they please to me off or on-list.  But I will continue to reveal my own
perception (Hardy willing) for that is all I have.  I do not believe in
absolute truth as Mickey Jensen seems to believe.  Perceptions change
with life, loves and outrageous fortune.

The most shocking aspect of all this is that some list members may feel
apprehensive in responding to me or Charles Weinstein or anyone at all
with independent thought.  I accept Hardy Cook as the arbiter of this
list and long may he do so.  The last person who should be in control is
little Mickey, the Rumplestiltskin of our list whose name is regularly
discovered.

I wish a fond fond regard to all on this wonderful list and welcome your
views whether sweet or bitter.

SAM SMALL

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From:           John Briggs <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Tuesday, 5 Dec 2000 08:52:10 -0000
Subject: 11.2205 Re: Julie Taymor's TITUS
Comment:        RE: SHK 11.2205 Re: Julie Taymor's TITUS

It is, of course, "Portmuthian" not "Portsmuthian".  Some might have
expected a former resident to know that...

John Briggs

Re: Queen Elizabeth

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 11.2242  Tuesday, 5 December 2000

[1]     From:   Evelyn Gajowski <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Monday, 4 Dec 2000 10:47:19 -0800 (PST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 11.2232 Queen Elizabeth Query

[2]     From:   Linda Moritz <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Monday, 4 Dec 2000 12:49:12 -0800
        Subj:   Re: SHK 11.2232 Queen Elizabeth Query


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From:           Evelyn Gajowski <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Monday, 4 Dec 2000 10:47:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 11.2232 Queen Elizabeth Query
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.2232 Queen Elizabeth Query

To Steve Sohmer:

I recommend Leah Marcus, Janel Mueller, and Mary Beth Rose, whose
collaborative edition, *Elizabeth 1: Collected Works*, was published in
September by Chicago.  Mueller in particular deals with Elizabeth's
correspondence.

Best,
Evelyn Gajowski

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From:           Linda Moritz <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Monday, 4 Dec 2000 12:49:12 -0800
Subject: 11.2232 Queen Elizabeth Query
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.2232 Queen Elizabeth Query

I don't know how "genuine" it is, but G.B. Harrison "The Letters of
Queen Elizabeth I" published in 1981 was useful for a project I worked
on.

Linda

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