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Re: droit de seigneur
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 11.1377  Tuesday, 11 July 2000.

[1]     From:   Carol Barton <
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        Date:   Monday, 10 Jul 2000 11:19:35 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 11.1371 droit de seigneur

[2]     From:   Simon Morris <
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        Date:   Monday, 10 Jul 2000 16:54:55 +0100
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[3]     From:   Tom Bishop <
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        Date:   Monday, 10 Jul 2000 13:31:03 -0500
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[4]     From:   Thomas Berger <
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        Date:   Monday, 10 Jul 2000 16:26:05 -0400
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[5]     From:   Frank Whigham <
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        Date:   Monday, 10 Jul 2000 15:51:52 -0500
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        Date:   Monday, 10 Jul 2000 14:58:30 -0600 (MDT)
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        Date:   Tuesday, 11 Jul 2000 07:55:42 +1000
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[8]     From:   John Ramsay <
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From:           Carol Barton <
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Date:           Monday, 10 Jul 2000 11:19:35 -0400
Subject: 11.1371 droit de seigneur
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.1371 droit de seigneur

This is hardly a scholarly treatment, Frank, but as I recall, they
portrayed an attempted exercise of the custom in _Braveheart_. Maybe
someone connected with the production could elaborate for you?

Best,
Carol Barton

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From:           Simon Morris <
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Date:           Monday, 10 Jul 2000 16:54:55 +0100
Subject: 11.1371 droit de seigneur
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.1371 droit de seigneur

The TLS reviewed "The Lord's First Night: the myth of the 'droit de
cuissage'" by Alain Boureau, translated by Lydia G Cochrane (University
of Chicago Press) on 27 November 1998.

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From:           Tom Bishop <
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Date:           Monday, 10 Jul 2000 13:31:03 -0500
Subject: 11.1371 droit de seigneur
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.1371 droit de seigneur

On the "droit de seigneur" or "ius primae noctis" see esp. Alain
Boureau, "Le droit de cuissage: La fabrication d'un mythe XIIIe-XXe
siecle" (Paris: Albin Michel, 1995). It received a bravura review in the
TLS, Oct. 6 1995, p.44, by Peter Linehan, who wrote: "[Boureau] is
exigent in his taxonomy.  Not any lordly lust will satisfy him. He will
only consider cases of legal entitlement to a payment in lieu of
ravishing a female feudal dependant on her wedding night. By that
reckoning, all but five of the dossier's seventy-two "proofs" for the
existence of the practice turn out either to be legendary or to involve
a confusion with something entirely different, namely _merchet_, the
payment made for "formarriage", an event about as lubricious as a parish
fete on a wet Saturday. And such is the virtuoso quality of the author's
dismissal of the claims of the remainder that the reader is left
regretting that there were not more of them deserving of his scalpel and
his lancet."

(From http://www.urbanlegends.com/sex/droit_du_seigneur.html)

Tom

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Date:           Monday, 10 Jul 2000 16:26:05 -0400
Subject: 11.1371 droit de seigneur
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.1371 droit de seigneur

I know nothing about the custom, but I've wondered about it in terms of
Iago's relations with his wife Emilia and his suspecting her of having
slept with Othello.  Does the social "custom" transfer to the military?

And interesting thread.

Thanks,
tom berger

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From:           Frank Whigham <
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Date:           Monday, 10 Jul 2000 15:51:52 -0500
Subject:        droit de seigneur

I thought listmembers might like to see these two substantial
references:

1. Boureau, Alain. The Lord's First Night: The Myth of the Droit de
Cuissage. Trans. Lydia G. Cochrane. University of Chicago Press, 1998.

2. Joerg Wettlaeufer, Das Herrenrecht der Ersten Nacht. Herrschaft,
Hochzeit, und Heiratszins im Mittelalter und in der Fr

 

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