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Re: Exploitation, Marx, and Shakespeare
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 11.1414  Tuesday, 18 July 2000.

[1]     From:   Mike Jensen <
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        Date:   Monday, 17 Jul 2000 11:48:32 -0700
        Subj:   SHK 11.1410 Re: Exploitation, Marx, and Shakespeare

[2]     From:   Michael Meyers <
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        Date:   Monday, 17 Jul 2000 22:26:27 -0500
        Subj:   RE: SHK 11.1410 Re: Exploitation, Marx, and Shakespeare


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From:           Mike Jensen <
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Date:           Monday, 17 Jul 2000 11:48:32 -0700
Subject: Re: Exploitation, Marx, and Shakespeare
Comment:        SHK 11.1410 Re: Exploitation, Marx, and Shakespeare

I certainly do not want to keep picking on Sophie Masson, whose comments
about me and her restatement of her view of Marx and Marxism were
reasonable and kind.  The comments about ideology echo my own feelings
for the most part.

Perhaps I've read too much aesthetic theory in my life, but I do
question one of your statements, Sophie, and perhaps you will help me
see it through your eyes.  As it stands, I'm not sure why I should be
convinced it is true.

> The opposite of ideology is not passivity, but
> art, in which I include many things, incidentally, and not just formal
> art. It includes such things as ceremony, folklore, traditions, etc.

I find it an interesting statement.  I don't know it is wrong, but I
can't connect the dots between the phrase "The opposite of ideology is"
and "art."  Can you connect them for me?  Why is this true?  What makes
it true?  Why not philosophy?  Why not politics, when defined as the art
of compromise?  Surely much art has been used at the service of
ideology, so given that, can you restate your thesis to address this
issue?  Also, much ceremony and folklore has been used to serve
ideology.  Check out the Dead Sea Scrolls.  Look at cults, like the cult
that ensnares my in-laws, and you see this clearly, as you can see it in
any ideologue religion.

Please don't think I am picking on you.  You have raised a subject of
great interest to me, but as I stated above, your articulation does not
work for me.  I'd appreciate it if you will address my questions, or
refine your statement so I will understand.  Who knows, maybe even
Shakespeare will reenter the conversation, though I fear someone may use
him to illustrate how he was used as an opiate of the masses.  You know,
"Gentle Shakespeare meek and mild."

Thanks,
mj

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From:           Michael Meyers <
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Date:           Monday, 17 Jul 2000 22:26:27 -0500
Subject: 11.1410 Re: Exploitation, Marx, and Shakespeare
Comment:        RE: SHK 11.1410 Re: Exploitation, Marx, and Shakespeare

Geralyn Horton <
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>However, I come from an extended family in which almost everyone but me
>is "in computers" -- and I can vouch for rampant discrimination,....

>Currently there are over  800,000 US jobs in this sector open,
>That figure is propaganda the industry PR puts out...

>Young grads are hired by start-ups for $20,000,...

>Geralyn Horton, Playwright

Geralyn, your view of my industry from afar is far different than the
view I have close up.   I personally know of 1000's of open job in my
company alone, with starting salaries more than triple what you quote
above.   I hate to tell you this but your view is wrong.   But this line
is too far a field.   I'll not argue further -- only wonder in amazement
at where people like you get this distorted view of reality.

Regards,
Michael
 

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