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Re: Kermode (Tempest Reference)
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.0595  Tuesday, 13 March 2001

[1]     From:   Karen Peterson-Kranz <
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        Date:   Monday, 12 Mar 2001 14:14:49 -0800 (PST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.0571 Re: Kermode (Tempest Reference)

[2]     From:   Larry Weiss <
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        Date:   Monday, 12 Mar 2001 23:57:49 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.0571 Re: Tempest Reference


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From:           Karen Peterson-Kranz <
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Date:           Monday, 12 Mar 2001 14:14:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 12.0571 Re: Kermode (Tempest Reference)
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.0571 Re: Kermode (Tempest Reference)

I feel a need to clarify.

Judy Craig writes:

> I wanted to say that I agree with Karen Peterson's
> ironic view of
> Kermode's "radical" stance.

Ms. Craig is responding to an earlier posting of mine, in which I wrote:

> I am not sure whether Ms.
> Craig was quoting or paraphrasing Kermode when she
> reported that he "admitted that he was an aging
> radical." [edit] Again, IF Kermode actually used
> these words, he might
> also have been using the phrase with self-conscious
> irony to highlight a different (and perhaps
> non-political) sense of his own "radical" critical
> practice. ...

The "IF" was in upper case for a reason, to wit: I do not have access to
knowledge that allows me to state with any certainty what Kermode REALLY
SAID in the lecture in question.  I wasn't there.  Without such
knowledge, it was, and is, pure speculation (which I announced later in
my post with the preface, "I speculate...") on my part that Kermode
MIGHT have been speaking ironically.  I was very careful in my original
post NOT to assert an ironic reading, but only to offer it as a
(speculative) possibility.

I am still curious as to whether Kermode, in the lecture in question,
specifically identified himself as an "aging radical."  If any other
list members were in attendance, please comment.

Cheers,
Karen E. Peterson

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From:           Larry Weiss <
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Date:           Monday, 12 Mar 2001 23:57:49 -0500
Subject: 12.0571 Re: Tempest Reference
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.0571 Re: Tempest Reference

Lets get geography, as well as history right.  Judy Craig wrote (or was
quoting Kermode as saying):

>The island is located between Tunis
>and Naples, and the reference to the Bermudas is to a "cold climate"
>(again my notes are sketchy) when the Caribbean is not.

Bermuda is not in the Caribbean, and anyone who has been there after
September and before June would be prepared to agree that it has a cold
climate.  But it is still fairly clear that WS was inspired by the 1611
report of a shipwreck off the Bermudas.  The references in the play
suggesting that the Island is in the south Mediterranean is just one of
those inconsistencies or errors -- like the seacoast of Bohemia -- about
which WS just didn't give much thought (or about as much as it needed).
 

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