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Re: Kermode (Tempest Reference)
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.0729  Friday, 30 March 2001

[1]     From:   Stuart Manger <
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        Date:   Sunday 25 Mar 2001 00:45:07 +0000
        Subj:   SHK 12.0704 Re: Kermode (Tempest Reference)

[2]     From:   Judith M. Craig <
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        Date:   Sunday 25 Mar 2001 15:22:54 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.0655 Re: Kermode (Tempest Reference)

[3]     From:   Clifford Stetner <
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        Date:   Monday, 26 Mar 2001 19:32:52 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.0704 Re: Kermode (Tempest Reference)


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From:           Stuart Manger <
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Date:           Sunday 25 Mar 2001 00:45:07 +0000
Subject: Re: Kermode (Tempest Reference)
Comment:        SHK 12.0704 Re: Kermode (Tempest Reference)

I'm sorry, but I really cannot see that anyone can or indeed need or
indeed should try to fix 'the island'. Who cares? It isn't any island,
and it is all islands. An island of the mind? I mean...... please!

Stuart Manger

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From:           Judith M. Craig <
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Date:           Sunday 25 Mar 2001 15:22:54 -0500
Subject: 12.0655 Re: Kermode (Tempest Reference)
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.0655 Re: Kermode (Tempest Reference)

David Lindley writes:

<Greenblatt famously characterised source hunting <as 'the
<elephant's graveyard' of literary criticism - and <what is most
<interesting, and most important, are the kinds of <investment one
brings
<to tracking down sources, and the different kinds <of consequence one
<draws from their recognition.

As one of the elephants--(I'm not talking "Hannibal Lector" here,
although some members of this list may identify me that way), I'm in
basic agreement with Kermode's position that the inaccuracy of
Shakespeare's geography, like his time sequences, may be due not to his
lack of knowledge, but with his penchant for compressing ideas into a
vivid image on the model of a metaphor.  I have always thought that
conflicts in "The Tempest" were a outward dramatization of the inward
conflicts in the human psyche based on Plato's model of the soul, a
popular Renaissance sourcebook, rather than an attempt to locate the
action of the play in a realistic setting.  Too much of the play is
obvious fiction for the setting to be totally accurate.

I know this idea is an old one, but I have a hard time being convinced
by newer readings that lack grounding in the thought of the time.

Best,

Judy Craig, newly arrived on cyberspace after a major computer crash
last week

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From:           Clifford Stetner <
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Date:           Monday, 26 Mar 2001 19:32:52 -0500
Subject: 12.0704 Re: Kermode (Tempest Reference)
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.0704 Re: Kermode (Tempest Reference)

> I do believe that Shakespeare made political points, but I
> doubt very much that he made political points which were not in vogue
> until the late twentieth century.
>Larry Weiss

Prior misunderstandings aside, I suspect he did.

Clifford Stetner
CUNY
http://phoenix.liu.edu/~cstetner/cds.html
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