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Re: Daniel's Relationship to Shakespeare
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.0759  Wednesday, 4 April 2001

[1]     From:   Karen Peterson-Kranz <
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        Date:   Friday, 30 Mar 2001 09:10:24 -0800 (PST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.0723 Daniel's Relationship to Shakespeare

[2]     From:   Stephanie Hughes <
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        Date:   Friday, 30 Mar 2001 10:00:25 -0800
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.0723 Daniel's Relationship to Shakespeare

[3]     From:   Peter Groves <
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        Date:   Saturday, 31 Mar 2001 08:59:25 +1000
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From:           Karen Peterson-Kranz <
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Date:           Friday, 30 Mar 2001 09:10:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 12.0723 Daniel's Relationship to Shakespeare
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.0723 Daniel's Relationship to Shakespeare

> Karen Peterson asks me to justify my claim that
> Daniel's "Delia" and
> "Complaint of Rosamond" had a "strong influence" on
> Shakespeare.  As a
> humble student of Shakespeare, I would be very
> interested to hear
> whether anybody (or everybody) else thinks that I am
> overstating the
> relationship between Daniel's poems and
> Shakespeare's works
> (particularly his Sonnets)

Oh dear.  I really wasn't trying to be critical, or demand that you
"justify" your claim.  My own view is that the "Complaint of Rosamond"
was highly influential on "A Lover's Complaint," but that the
resemblances between "Delia" and some of Shakespeare's Sonnets has,
PERHAPS, been overstated.  I was just curious about whether there was
material I had not yet explored that would help me understand this issue
in more detail.

Thank you so much for the exhaustive answer.  I've seen most, but not
all, of these, and will definitely locate and study those with which I
am not yet familiar.

Cheers,
Karen E. Peterson

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From:           Stephanie Hughes <
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Date:           Friday, 30 Mar 2001 10:00:25 -0800
Subject: 12.0723 Daniel's Relationship to Shakespeare
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.0723 Daniel's Relationship to Shakespeare

Certainly the claim is often made that Daniel influenced Shakespeare
with much evidence presented.

Those of us who feel that like most great artists, Shakespeare actually
had a period of youthful development and did not simply emerge as a full
blown artist at age 29, believe that many of his works were actually
written long before they were published.  We tend to see Daniel, and
many other so-called Shakespeare sources, as being influenced by the
greater writer, not the other way around, which would make more sense,
one would think.

Stephanie Hughes

>  > Is there any particular reason for the assertion of "strong influence"
>>  by Daniel in particular, or is this just a matter of *Delia* being
>>  representative of the many post-Sydney, Petrarchan/anti-Petrarchan
>>  sequences that were in circulation in the early 1590s?
>
>Karen Peterson asks me to justify my claim that Daniel's "Delia" and
>"Complaint of Rosamond" had a "strong influence" on Shakespeare.  As a
>humble student of Shakespeare, I would be very interested to hear
>whether anybody (or everybody) else thinks that I am overstating the
>relationship between Daniel's poems and Shakespeare's works
>(particularly his Sonnets).

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From:           Peter Groves <
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Date:           Saturday, 31 Mar 2001 08:59:25 +1000
Subject: 12.0723 Daniel's Relationship to Shakespeare
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.0723 Daniel's Relationship to Shakespeare

Two points occur to me, one specific and one general.  The general point
is that editing Daniel has brought me to realise how Shakespearean he is
in his use of extended subterranean word-play and image clusters, or
what might be called 'glimpsed' metaphors (but who learnt from whom?).
The specific one is a reference: Geoffrey G. Hiller, "What's in a Name?
Shakespeare's <Romeo and Juliet>, Samuel Daniel and the Epitaph of 'Fair
Rosamund'", <Notes and Queries> n.s. 44
(1997): 495-96.

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