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Re: Callous Cash Payment Values
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.0765  Wednesday, 4 April 2001

[1]     From:   Larry Weiss <
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        Date:   Saturday, 31 Mar 2001 01:01:25 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.0731 Re: Callous Cash Payment Values

[2]     From:   Marcus Dahl <
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        Date:   Monday, 2 Apr 2001 11:07:32 EDT
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.0731 Re: Callous Cash Payment Values


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From:           Larry Weiss <
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Date:           Saturday, 31 Mar 2001 01:01:25 -0500
Subject: 12.0731 Re: Callous Cash Payment Values
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.0731 Re: Callous Cash Payment Values

I guess we will be stuck with this thread until Hardy gets his
much-deserved MacArthur grant.  I would love to take the opportunity to
correct all of Mr. Stetner's economic and political misconceptions
(which he insists on calling "facts," thus perverting another perfectly
good English word), but, alas, I lack the time and fortitude for such an
heroic effort.  I shall confine myself, therefore, to being merely
snippy.

Mr. Stetner identifies himself as

> As a graduate
> student/adjunct instructor --

I thought I recognized the unmistakable timbre of vox puerile -- and  he
admits that

> I [Mr. Stetner]  have no retirement money.

Get some, Cliff, and perhaps you will see the point.  Put money in your
purse, man.

As for your contention that your philosophy is "neo marxism" -- which
you perversely insist on spelling with a lower case "m" as if making it
a common noun endows it with validity or hastens its advent -- I frankly
see nothing "neo" about it.  It looks like the same old outmoded drivel
to me.

But I shall refrain from becoming obnoxious, as Mr. Stetner's conclusion
actually concurs with mine:

>  Please find some way to connect any further responses
> to Shakespeare and his texts.

My quotation from Othello doesn't count.

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From:           Marcus Dahl <
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Date:           Monday, 2 Apr 2001 11:07:32 EDT
Subject: 12.0731 Re: Callous Cash Payment Values
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.0731 Re: Callous Cash Payment Values

RE: Shakespeare Relevance

Shakespeare, rather like the bible is good at saying anything you want
him to. The devil in the parable is the master of the fallen world and
as master (or perhaps mere shadow) of the fallen he presides over his
kingdom. And who are the citizens and petty lords of this realm (I dare
say a capitalist realm - in whatever loose way one wishes to interpret
that)? Well I like to think the answer is where we came in - Venice with
Shylock (the argument of many binds - he ties himself to them and they
to he - thus our uneasiness) and in the untying (bonds slipped loosed
dissolved):

What judgement shall I dread, doing no wrong?
You have among you many a purchased slave,
Which like your asses and your dogs and mules,
You use in abject and in slavish parts,
Because you bought them: shall I say to you
Let them be free, marry them to your heirs?
Why sweat under burdens? Let their beds
Be made as soft as yours, and let their palates
Be seasoned with such viands? You will answer,
The slaves are ours: so do I answer you:
The pound of flesh, which I demand of him,
Is dearly bought; 'tis mine and I will have it.

The merchant is thus (unwittingly) divided. The merchant has his ways
and they are the ways of his world but (and) that world demands its own
payments.  Witness the end. Reminds me of The Frog and The Scorpian.

Cheers,
Marcus.
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