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Re: Callous Cash Payment Values
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.0786  Thursday, 5 April 2001

[1]     From:   Gabriel Egan <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 4 Apr 2001 18:06:45 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.0765 Re: Callous Cash Payment Values

[2]     From:   Clifford Stetner <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 4 Apr 2001 23:50:16 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.0765 Re: Callous Cash Payment Values


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From:           Gabriel Egan <
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Date:           Wednesday, 4 Apr 2001 18:06:45 +0100
Subject: 12.0765 Re: Callous Cash Payment Values
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.0765 Re: Callous Cash Payment Values

Larry Weiss thought he

> recognized the unmistakable timbre of vox puerile

in Clifford Stetner's comments, and for Weiss this is confirmed by
Stetner's description of himself as "a graduate student/adjunct
instructor".

There is no necessary connection between age and being a graduate
student or an adjunct instructor. One can be these things at almost any
age above about 20 years. Weiss's comment is offensive ageism no better
than the "boring old fart" kind which I hope most of us don't put up
with as a form of criticism.

Weiss compounds this with "Get some [retirement money], Cliff, and
perhaps you will see the point.  Put money in your purse, man". An
assertion that only with money can one "see the point" of anti-marxism
is an admission that most of the world (for whom saving is impossible)
will never have reason to agree with Weiss.

Weiss's answer amounts to 'You'll understand when you're older'. One
must conclude from this evidence that Weiss avoids engaging with the
substance of the debate not because he "lack[s] the time and fortitude"
but because it's too difficult for him.

Gabriel Egan

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From:           Clifford Stetner <
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Date:           Wednesday, 4 Apr 2001 23:50:16 -0400
Subject: 12.0765 Re: Callous Cash Payment Values
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.0765 Re: Callous Cash Payment Values

> I guess we will be stuck with this thread until Hardy gets his
> much-deserved MacArthur grant.

Better stuck with my thread than your needles, doctor.

> I frankly
> see nothing "neo" about it.  It looks like the same old outmoded drivel
> to me.

Drivel? How uncivil!

> Get some, Cliff, and perhaps you will see the point.  Put money in your
> purse, man.

Iago? How apropos!

I'm sorry you have not the fortitude to dispute my facts; few people
do.  Perverse as the facts may be, I have not made my purse their fool.
But thanks for so magnanimously admitting that capitalism makes no sense
for people who have no capital.  As to the puerility of my vox, allow me
to disabuse you of the apparent assumption that the corporate university
(or should that be Corporate University?) only imposes adjunct status on
the young.

I am also grateful for this insight into the ideological weight of lower
case letters. It's the first valuable fruit this discussion has gleaned
me.  Here at last is an issue of authorial intention on which I can
speak with some authority: no I am not a twenty year old strategically
calculating letter cases.

I wonder, however, if we might apply your principle to Shakespeare's
texts?  Perhaps editors should not be so ready to correct
capitalizations?  If the Folio says "What, the Commonwealth their
Bootes?" should Riverside change it to "commonwealth their boots?" as if
making boots a common noun endows them with validity or hastens their
advent?

Clifford Stetner
CUNY
http://phoenix.liu.edu/~cstetner/cds.html

> I would love to take the opportunity to
> correct all of Mr. Stetner's economic and political misconceptions
> (which he insists on calling "facts," thus perverting another perfectly
> good English word), but, alas, I lack the time and fortitude for such an
> heroic effort.  I shall confine myself, therefore, to being merely
> snippy.

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