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Re: Subtext
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.2757  Thursday, 6 December 2001

[1]     From:   Sean Lawrence <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 05 Dec 2001 07:59:20 -0800
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        Date:   Wednesday, 05 Dec 2001 11:07:00 -0500
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        Date:   Wednesday, 5 Dec 2001 16:28:13 -0000
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        Date:   Wednesday, 05 Dec 2001 13:38:12 -0500
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From:           Sean Lawrence <
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Date:           Wednesday, 05 Dec 2001 07:59:20 -0800
Subject: 12.2742 Re: Subtext
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2742 Re: Subtext

Stephen Dobbin writes,

>Martin Steward's academic vocabulary is falling behind the times.
>I am reliably informed that the correct adjectivisation of Derrida is
>'Derrivative', with two r's.

Actually, I believe that it was I who first used the term "Derridean" in
this thread.

Martin Stewart adds,

>I don't think so, if by "structuralist" we mean Saussurean, which
>doctrine holds that there is indeed something outside the text - the
>putative science of semiology, which he "imagines" - I can't think of a
>better way of putting it - in General Linguistics...

Point taken.  On the other hand, generalizing the appropriate sphere of
semiology outwards to ever-receding horizons, so that semiotics
describes pretty much everything and there is no outside the text, seems
only to extend the pretensions of semiotics.

Which leads me to Billy Houck's question:

>Isn't the concept, or at least the term, "subtext" an invention of the
>20th century?
>
>Does anyone know the date of the first use of this as an acting term?

The OED's first use of the term under the definition "An underlying
theme in a piece of writing (esp. in a novel or play)" is apparently
from a translation of Stanislavski.

This is interesting, of course, but the fact that the term wasn't around
earlier doesn't mean that everyone before 1950 was by default some sort
of naive literalist.

Cheers,
Se

 

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