2001

Re: Plagiarism

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.2775  Friday, 7 December 2001

[1]     From:   Joseph Sullivan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 06 Dec 2001 13:49:29 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.2764 Re: Plagiarism

[2]     From:   Martin Steward <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 6 Dec 2001 18:51:14 -0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.2764 Re: Plagiarism

[3]     From:   Eric Weil <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 06 Dec 2001 14:02:12 EST
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.2764 Re: Plagiarism


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From:           Joseph Sullivan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 06 Dec 2001 13:49:29 -0500
Subject: 12.2764 Re: Plagiarism
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2764 Re: Plagiarism

I have not seen nor heard of this particular ranting truism by Lear;
however, I have downloaded an essay about it from
www.plagiarizedpedagogy.com.  I find all of the materials for my
preemptive presentations there.  You know what they say, if you can't
divide your kingdom peacefully between heirs, teach.

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From:           Martin Steward <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 6 Dec 2001 18:51:14 -0000
Subject: 12.2764 Re: Plagiarism
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2764 Re: Plagiarism

Graham Hall hopes that "all the Buster Bloodvessels who are vexed by
their student's alleged potential propensity for plagiarism have taken
due note of Lear's great condemnation at 4.6.154-170".

Indeed... or Hamlet's: "Use every man after his desert, and who would
'scape whipping?"

Yours "Derrivatively",
martin

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From:           Eric Weil <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 06 Dec 2001 14:02:12 EST
Subject: 12.2764 Re: Plagiarism
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2764 Re: Plagiarism

Like Joseph Sullivan, I create certain restrictions that discourage
plagiarism in my students' essay assignments.  For my literature
classes, the most effective restriction is to place two or three
appropriate books or articles on reserve and require a reference to at
least one of them.  I have noticed that term-paper-selling websites
don't let you view the Works Cited pages of the papers for sale.

As for Ed Kranz's words about policing -- yesterday, using yahoo, I
discovered that two of my comp students had lifted passages from various
websites to paste into their papers.  The pleasure of nailing the
cheaters was short-lived, soon replaced by sadness and disappointment.
I do hope they learned something more than "Don't retake the class with
Weil".  But I'm not counting on it.

Eric Weil
Shaw University

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Re: High School Productions

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.2774  Friday, 7 December 2001

From:           John Velz <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 06 Dec 2001 12:03:06 -0600
Subject:        Sh. 12.2657 Re: High School Productions

Geralyn Horton's defense of productions of MND in schools made me expect
her to quote Theseus' lines from that very play about that very subject:

The best in this kind are but shadows; and the worst are no worse
if imagination amend them.

Cheers for amateur productions.

John

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Re: Subtext

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.2772  Friday, 7 December 2001

[1]     From:   Don Bloom <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 6 Dec 2001 11:12:45 -0600
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.2742 Re: Subtext

[2]     From:   Karen Peterson <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 6 Dec 2001 09:12:52 -0800 (PST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.2742 Re: Subtext

[3]     From:   W. L. Godshalk <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 06 Dec 2001 13:58:58 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.2732 Re: Subtext

[4]     From:   Larry Weiss <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 06 Dec 2001 17:18:08 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.2757 Re: Subtext


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From:           Don Bloom <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 6 Dec 2001 11:12:45 -0600
Subject: 12.2742 Re: Subtext
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2742 Re: Subtext

Sam Small writes,

> The whole point of R&J is that
> stupid, crass people believe that supporting a particular political or
> philosophic credo is more important than love.

Somehow how I missed the political and/or philosophical credos in R&J.
As near as I can tell the Montagues and Capulets don't have any such
credos.  What they do have is an infected love for their own families
that causes and also justifies the hate that they have for the rival
family.

I would certainly agree with the assertion about what "stupid, crass
people" believe but I'm not sure who in the play qualifies.

Cheers,
don

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From:           Karen Peterson <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 6 Dec 2001 09:12:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 12.2742 Re: Subtext
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2742 Re: Subtext

> The whole point
> of R&J is that
> stupid, crass people believe that supporting a
> particular political or
> philosophic credo is more important than love.

I may be wrong here, but do I sense here an implication that 'those who
believe that supporting a particular political or philosophic credo is
more important than love, are stupid, crass people'?

*If* that implication is therein lurking, I would ask:

Ever seen *Casablanca*?

Yours for politics, philosophy, and beautiful friendships,
Karen Peterson

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From:           W. L. Godshalk <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 06 Dec 2001 13:58:58 -0500
Subject: 12.2732 Re: Subtext
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2732 Re: Subtext

>there's ... the insoluble question of what resides in the interstices of
>the text.

writes Se


Re: Link Suggestion

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.2773  Friday, 7 December 2001

[1]     From:   Gabriel Egan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 6 Dec 2001 17:16:39 -0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.2769 Link Suggestion

[2]     From:   Vantika Gupta <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Friday, 07 Dec 2001 04:11:14 +0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.2769 Link Suggestion


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From:           Gabriel Egan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 6 Dec 2001 17:16:39 -0000
Subject: 12.2769 Link Suggestion
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2769 Link Suggestion

James Hodge wrote,

> I'm the webmaster for Absolute Shakespeare.... It
> occurred to me that your visitors would benefit and
> appreciate Absolute Shakespeare's extensive content
> and that such a relationship would be mutually beneficial.

Among a great many errors apparent on even a cursory glance at "Absolute
Shakespeare" is this:

> The First Folio of 1623, complied by Shakespeare's fellow
> actors John Hemminges and Henry Condell was the first
> ever publication of Shakespeare's plays. It contains all 36
> plays that we can read today. All publications of Shakespeare's
> play's are derived from this Folio.

On open-air amphitheatre acting, the site has this:

> As such watching a play would involve watching the
> actors exaggerating their movements for patrons in
> the galleries and shouting their lines to be heard by all.

Of the performance before the Essex rebellion, it was hoped that this

> would generate public sympathy for those attempting to
> kill Queen Elizabeth.

And so on ad nauseam. Nobody interested in Shakespeare should guide
others to this shoddy site. Instead one could go to www.abebooks.com and
buy a used paperback of Campbell and Quinn's Shakespeare Encyclopedia
for about $10. These comments are not intended to be hurtful, James. It
is merely that you do no-one a service by publishing such nonsense on
the web.  If you'd like to improve the site, off to the encyclopedia
with you. It isn't the latest scholarship, but it's mostly right.

Gabriel Egan

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From:           Vantika Gupta <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 07 Dec 2001 04:11:14 +0000
Subject: 12.2769 Link Suggestion
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2769 Link Suggestion

Hi!

Hey! the site absoluteshakespeare.com is really wonderful!! An extremely
well made site with condense information about Shakespeare and his
works! Really well made! thnx very much for the link. I am very sure
that it will be beneficial for a lot more people like me who are on the
look out for a perfect Shakespeare website! I have added the link to my
favourites literature list and will be a regular visitor to it since I
find a lot of things useful for me there! thank again! keep up the good
work!!

I have really benefited a lot from the SHAKSPER society discussions!
Keep it up!:)

Regards,
vantika!

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Re: Succession

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.2771  Friday, 7 December 2001

[1]     From:   Steve Roth <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 6 Dec 2001 08:37:05 -0800
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.2760 Re: Succession

[2]     From:   Sean Lawrence <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 06 Dec 2001 10:32:18 -0800
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.2760 Re: Succession

[3]     From:   Mette M


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