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Re: Sir Toby, Sebastian, et TN
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.2530  Friday, 2 November 2001

[1]     From:   Brian Haylett <
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        Date:   Thursday, 01 Nov 2001 15:39:28 +0000
        Subj:   Re: Sir Toby, Sebastian, et TN

[2]     From:   Thomas Larque <
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        Date:   Thursday, 1 Nov 2001 17:32:15 -0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.2525 Re: Sir Toby, Sebastian, et TN

[3]     From:   Graham Hall <
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        Date:   Thursday, 01 Nov 2001 19:59:04 +0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.2525 Re: Sir Toby, Sebastian, et TN


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From:           Brian Haylett <
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Date:           Thursday, 01 Nov 2001 15:39:28 +0000
Subject:        Re: Sir Toby, Sebastian, et TN

While acknowledging that there was nothing original in my comments on
the title(s) of Twelfth Night, I'm a little sad that they led only to
the dispute of the last few days. I was hoping that there might be some
new feedback on the proposition that while Malvolio is discountenanced,
his betters are indulging in equally unsafe aspirations. At the end of
this play, does any character have an untroubled future in prospect?
Does the spirit of comedy demand that we ignore the likely instability
of the planned marriages?

Hopefully,
Brian Haylett

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From:           Thomas Larque <
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Date:           Thursday, 1 Nov 2001 17:32:15 -0000
Subject: 12.2525 Re: Sir Toby, Sebastian, et TN
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2525 Re: Sir Toby, Sebastian, et TN

> Graham Hall attributes the following to me:
>
> > It seems to me very unlikely that the printers of the Folio
> > would have printed any of Shakespeare's plays without
> > having conversations with those who were directly involved
> > in their production (Hemings and Condell, for example)
> > or at least with others who had had such conversations
>
> Thomas Larque wrote this and I quoted it to disagree with him. Such
> conversations (if they happened) didn't prevent manifest naming errors
> in F1.

I would have thought that such conversations would be far more likely to
run along the lines of "Here is the script for Twelfth Night" or "We are
just printing Twelfth Night now" than to include "This is the play with
Innogen in it" or references to other parts of internal text..  Titles
are the single most likely thing to have been discussed with people who
knew the plays, and knew how the titles should be pronounced.

Thomas Larque.
"Shakespeare and His Critics"
http://shakespearean.org.uk

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From:           Graham Hall <
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Date:           Thursday, 01 Nov 2001 19:59:04 +0000
Subject: 12.2525 Re: Sir Toby, Sebastian, et TN
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2525 Re: Sir Toby, Sebastian, et TN

>[...]Graham Hall attributes the following to me:
>
> > It seems to me very unlikely that the printers of the Folio
> > would have printed any of Shakespeare's plays without
> > having conversations with those who were directly involved
> > in their production (Hemings and Condell, for example)
> > or at least with others who had had such conversations
>
>Thomas Larque wrote this and I quoted it to disagree with him. Such
>conversations (if they happened) didn't prevent manifest naming errors
>in F1.
>
>Gabriel Egan [...]

Mea culpa  - an error in part due to formatting changes (compositor E, I
suspect) which I acknowledged personally on 30 Oct.

The intriguing question remains therefore as to what can be trusted
about F.  "Conversations" or no, some of the claims in "To the Great
Variety of Readers" begin to look compromised (except, perhaps "as he
conceived them" ) if basic errors can be demonstrated. If this is so,
then many other "verities" must be considered set down so in heaven but
not in earth.  Nothing new in that, thank Jove! It keeps many of us
distracted as we travel towards the grave...and look what it does for
academic employment levels.

Best wishes, Graham Hall

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