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Re: Sir Toby
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.2295  Friday, 5 October 2001

[1]     From:   Dana Shilling <
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        Date:   Thursday, 4 Oct 2001 10:55:56 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.2286 Re: Sir Toby

[2]     From:   Bob Grumman <
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        Date:   Thursday, 04 Oct 2001 18:31:40 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.2286 Re: Sir Toby

[3]     From:   P. A. Freedman <
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        Date:   Friday, 05 Oct 2001 12:44:12 +0100 (BST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.2286 Re: Sir Toby


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From:           Dana Shilling <
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Date:           Thursday, 4 Oct 2001 10:55:56 -0400
Subject: 12.2286 Re: Sir Toby
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2286 Re: Sir Toby

Larry Weiss said:

> By the way, did Don Armado marry beneath himself?

LADY ASTOR (I think...) "I married beneath myself. All women do."

Dana Shilling

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Date:           Thursday, 04 Oct 2001 18:31:40 -0400
Subject: 12.2286 Re: Sir Toby
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2286 Re: Sir Toby

> > The more marriages at the end, the better
>
> Usually; but what about LLL?

The marriages of the four main pairs of romantic characters come about
in the end of LLL--but delayed for what seems to me the humor of forcing
the four men to wait in chaste austerity--the way, ironically, they more
or less started the play supposedly wanting to do.

> By the way, did Don Armado marry beneath himself?

Hard to tell, but I think so, and so did Touchstone.

                                                 --Bob G.

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Date:           Friday, 05 Oct 2001 12:44:12 +0100 (BST)
Subject: 12.2286 Re: Sir Toby
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2286 Re: Sir Toby

On the question of the relationship between Maria and Sir Toby at the
beginning of the play, actually their language to one another is not
particularly familiar: they use neutral 'you' to each other. If they
were having an affair, Sir Toby, at least, would be likely to use the
more intimate 'thou', especially as he is of higher social status. His
change of attitude to her after she sets up the plot against Malvolio is
signalled by an immediate change to 'thou':'Wilt thou set thy foot o' my
neck'etc.

Pronouns can tell you a lot!

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