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Re: Funeral Elegy
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.1964  Thursday, 9 August 2001

[1]     From:   Vick Bennison <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 07 Aug 2001 12:54:03 EDT
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.1960 Funeral Elegy

[2]     From:   Skip Nicholson <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 7 Aug 2001 11:39:25 -0700
        Subj:   RE: SHK 12.1960 Funeral Elegy

[3]     From:   Bruce Young <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 07 Aug 2001 13:37:00 -0600
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.1960 Funeral Elegy

[4]     From:   Ira Zinman <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 7 Aug 2001 22:10:41 EDT
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.1960 Funeral Elegy

[5]     From:   John Briggs <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 8 Aug 2001 12:48:15 +0100
        Subj:   RE: SHK 12.1960 Funeral Elegy


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From:           Vick Bennison <
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Date:           Tuesday, 07 Aug 2001 12:54:03 EDT
Subject: 12.1960 Funeral Elegy
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.1960 Funeral Elegy

Re:  Richard Kennedy's last post

This exercise is just as pointless and proves as little as the exercise
of trying to show something was written by Shakespeare by finding
similar lines from his known works.

- Vick Bennison

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From:           Skip Nicholson <
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Date:           Tuesday, 7 Aug 2001 11:39:25 -0700
Subject: 12.1960 Funeral Elegy
Comment:        RE: SHK 12.1960 Funeral Elegy

Richard Kennedy's game with Renaissance (and faux-Renaissance) "drivel"
should lead to an interesting class discussion as students try to defend
their choices. Fortunately for me, I won't have to, because my "poetic
soul" failed me. I said that Shakespeare (allegedly) wrote passages 3,
5, 7, and 10; that Ford wrote 1, 4, 8, and 11; and that 2, 6, 9, and 12
were Kennedy's. Using my own grading scale, I would not pass. Sigh. I
hope I'm not alone.

Cheers,
Skip Nicholson
South Pasadena (CA) HS

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From:           Bruce Young <
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Date:           Tuesday, 07 Aug 2001 13:37:00 -0600
Subject: 12.1960 Funeral Elegy
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.1960 Funeral Elegy

In response to Richard Kennedy's game, my guesses (without consulting
other sources) are: stanzas 1, 2, 5, and 10 are from the Funeral Elegy;
stanzas 3, 8, 11, and 12 are by Ford; stanzas 4, 6, 7, and 9 are by
Kennedy.

I have second choices in several cases, but decided to commit myself to
one guess for each stanza.  (I thought 3, 9, and 12 could also have been
from the Funeral Elegy; 4 or 5 could also be by Ford; Kennedy might also
have written 3 or 5.)

What Richard Kennedy really asks, though, is "If Shakespeare wrote any
of this drivel, which stanzas did he write?"  Possibly none, of course.
But the ones that strike me as coming closest to his typical style (or
to echoing his common themes) are stanzas 3, 5, 8, 10, maybe 11 and 12.

If I'm right about which stanzas Ford wrote, I may simply be responding
to Shakespeare's influence on Ford.  If I'm right about which stanzas
are from the Funeral Elegy, then either Shakespeare didn't write it or
wasn't in top form when he wrote it (or, as some have argued,
deliberately modified his style).  But that he may have written it is
not out of the question.  At least a couple of the stanzas I've said
might be from the Funeral Elegy strike me as possibly "Shakespearean."

I'm eager to find out how well--or poorly--I did.

Bruce Young

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Date:           Tuesday, 7 Aug 2001 22:10:41 EDT
Subject: 12.1960 Funeral Elegy
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.1960 Funeral Elegy

Three and four are the best shot at the Bard. Ira

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Date:           Wednesday, 8 Aug 2001 12:48:15 +0100
Subject: 12.1960 Funeral Elegy
Comment:        RE: SHK 12.1960 Funeral Elegy

Well, I'm willing to play!  I would nominate stanzas 1, 4, 5 and 8 as
being by Richard Kennedy (although I have doubts about 10 and 12!).  As
I understand that the "Funeral Elegy" was in fact written by John Ford,
I have not attempted to disentangle the others...

John Briggs
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