2001

Re: Plagiarism and Cheating

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.2021  Wednesday, 22 August 2001

[1]     From:   Pat Dolan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Monday, 20 Aug 2001 06:54:14 -0500
        Subj:   Re: Plagiarism and Cheating, Again - and yet again

[2]     From:   David Lindley <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Monday, 20 Aug 2001 17:57:50 +0100
        Subj:   Re: Plagiarism and Cheating, Again - and yet again

[3]     From:   Paul E. Doniger <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Tuesday, 20 Aug 2002 11:25:03 -0400
        Subj:   Plagiarism and Cheating, Again - and yet again


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From:           Pat Dolan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Monday, 20 Aug 2001 06:54:14 -0500
Subject: 12.2016 Plagiarism and Cheating, Again - and yet again
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2016 Plagiarism and Cheating, Again - and yet again

>And how difficult is it, anyway, for the teacher to tailor
>a unique project for each student and supervise the student's pursuit of
>it exclusively in class?

It's difficult, but more than worth it for teacher and student alike.

Pat

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From:           David Lindley <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Monday, 20 Aug 2001 17:57:50 +0100
Subject: 12.2016 Plagiarism and Cheating, Again - and yet again
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2016 Plagiarism and Cheating, Again - and yet again

>Dr. Bloomfield's "gotcha" tactics here demonstrate teachers' confusion
>of educational purpose: our commitment, our purpose is intellectual,
>not moral. Let's protect the integrity of our courses as we do our
>other prized possessions, with guards beforehand rather than
>retaliations after the "theft" - and leave the would-be plagiarist to
>his conscience, and to heaven.

Sorry, but I really cannot buy this at all.  We issue degree
certificates that testify to would-be employers many things, but amongst
them is our verdict on the intellectual capability of the students whose
results we validate.  If we cannot demonstrate that we have awarded
marks to work which is the students' own then we have, surely, failed.

But then, my degree was based only on unseen examinations - for the last
twenty years or so considered by some at least poor educational
practice.

David Lindley
University of Leeds

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From:           Paul E. Doniger <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Tuesday, 20 Aug 2002 11:25:03 -0400
Subject: Plagiarism and Cheating, Again - and yet again
Comment:        SHK 12.2016 Plagiarism and Cheating, Again - and yet again

Louis Swilley raised some interesting and thorny points, some of which
call for a response -- even if they are somewhat off the topic of this
listserv:

> Granting the all but universal,
> time-illhonored custom among students to cheat and plagiarize - for
> many, those have been wrongly but consistently seen for years as proud
> protests against unreasonable or incompetent teachers and suppressive
> schools  - teachers should know by now that any work done out of class
> is not to be trusted as an index of the student's knowledge. Why do we
> proctor examinations, but then somehow convince ourselves that projects
> done outside the classroom - term papers, for example - need no
> supervision?

I'm not sure who are the "We" in this question. Which of us believes
that work done outside the classroom requires no supervision? I know of
no one who thinks that way.

> And how difficult is it, anyway, for the teacher to tailor
> a unique project for each student and supervise the student's pursuit of
> it exclusively in class?

Extremely! Who among us could tailor and supervise 100 or more
individual projects at once? Not even a super-hero could handle that
workload. We all have to make compromises to achieve an optimal,
accessible goal.

> Dr. Bloomfield's "gotcha" tactics here demonstrate teachers' confusion
> of educational purpose:  our commitment, our purpose is intellectual,
> not moral.  Let's protect the integrity of our courses as we do our
> other prized possessions, with guards beforehand rather than
> retaliations after the "theft"  - and leave the would-be plagiarist to
> his conscience, and to heaven.

Certainly the sort of "Planning Backwards" that is needed to accomplish
this idea of placing guards beforehand is a noble and accessible method
of working (vide: Ted Sizer). This sort of planning can lead to dynamic
results that are very desirable. Leaving plagiarism with no response is,
however, an irresponsible way to teach. Integrity is in part an
intellectual practice and therefore teachable. We could argue over
whether educators should be teaching morality (the latest buzzword is
'character'), but if we want to focus only on the intellectual, than the
error of plagiarism certainly does fall within the circle and should be
taught. Thomas Jefferson, one of the founding fathers of public
education, believed that the main purpose of education was to create
intelligent and responsible citizens (and therefore voters who would
make smart choices). Perhaps our view of the purposes of education has
broadened since Jefferson, but I would hate to think that it has shrunk.

Paul E. Doniger

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Re: New Hamlet Movie

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.2020  Monday, 20 August 2001

From:           Virginia Byrne <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Sunday, 19 Aug 2001 10:48:43 EDT
Subject: 12.2013 New Hamlet Movie
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2013 New Hamlet Movie

Delighted to hear of a film of Scott's HAMLET.He did a wonderful stage
production of Hamlet in Boston a few years back..one of the best I have
seen...anxious to see the film

Virginia Byrne
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Re: Everglades Tempest

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.2018  Monday, 20 August 2001

From:           Syd Kasten <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Sunday, 19 Aug 2001 16:50:25 +0300 (IDT)
Subject: Everglades Tempest
Comment:        SHK 12.2003 Everglades Tempest

I would say that 'Gator Man had much of Caliban in him, whereas Ariel
had none, except that it was Ariel's mother who taught Prosper the his
magic.  She was, in fact, a good witch.  It was Prosper's preoccupation
with magic that kept him from seeing what his evil younger brother was
doing to the plantation and his nefarious plans with respect to the
succession (secession?).

Arthur Lindley seems to have been the only correspondent to have seen
it, and he thought it was very bad.  I found it a lot of fun.  The
special effects were stunning, especially the opening scene which has
the viewer flying over the country side, following a raven to the
plantation, and preceding it through a window in an outbuilding, at
which point the bird metamorphosizes to a stunning woman.  Suspension of
disbelief throughout was effortless, and  I enjoyed as much on a second
viewing.

The writers, on the other hand may have felt the same way that Arthur
did, and in exasperation with the producers may have been responsible
for a little joke slyly slipped into the script - thanks be to video
recorders that allow instant replays.  The Ferdinand character is a
young Union officer sent by his superiors to find a way through the
swamp, who gets lost in the tempest and found by Miranda.  It wasn't
until he said that he had to get back to his lines, explaining that it
was his 'duty', that I realized that his name in this production is
Frederick and not Ferdinand.  Frederick, of course, is the 'Slave of
Duty' of the subtitle of Gilbert & Sullivan's "Pirates of Penzance".

Best wishes,
Syd Kasten

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Re: The Tragedy of Claudius

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.2019  Monday, 20 August 2001

From:           Doug Chapman <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Sunday, 19 Aug 2001 10:39:07 EDT
Subject: 12.2009 Re: The Tragedy of Claudius
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2009 Re: The Tragedy of Claudius

In a message dated 8/19/01 12:25:40 AM, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. writes:

<< Hamlet returns to a fait accompli, not only denied the crown but
faced with the sickening fact of his mother's flagrant, cheerful, and
voluptuous disrespect to his father's memory. He is, as anyone would be,
furiously angry, nauseated, and depressed.

Works for me. >>

Me, too. Or me, as well.

I agree this is, as is often the case, much less complicated than some
would make it. After all, DA needs a constant supply of new material. It
must be squeezed out of the fabric of cloth somewhere, whole or
otherwise.

Doug Chapman

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Re: New Othello Film

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.2017  Monday, 20 August 2001

From:           Richard Burt <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Saturday, 18 Aug 2001 20:22:33 -0400
Subject: 12.2015 New Othello Film
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.2015 New Othello Film

Yes, the film has been mentioned before.  Several times. It'll be out
August 31.  A recent issue of Entertainment Weekly had the film on the
cover.

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