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Re: The Tragedy of Claudius
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.1739  Thursday, 12 July 2001

[1]     From:   John Drakakis <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 11 Jul 2001 15:58:39 +0100
        Subj:   RE: SHK 12.1730 The Tragedy of Claudius

[2]     From:   Steve Roth <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 11 Jul 2001 08:02:55 -0700
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.1730 The Tragedy of Claudius

[3]     From:   Clifford Stetner <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 11 Jul 2001 15:06:37 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.1730 The Tragedy of Claudius

[4]     From:   Takashi Kozuka <
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        Date:   Thursday, 12 Jul 2001 10:37:40
        Subj:   Re: The Tragedy of Claudius


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From:           John Drakakis <
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Date:           Wednesday, 11 Jul 2001 15:58:39 +0100
Subject: 12.1730 The Tragedy of Claudius
Comment:        RE: SHK 12.1730 The Tragedy of Claudius

Brian Haylett has a point.

Only the play he is talking about is Macbeth...which is the 'tragedy' of
Claudius.

Cheers,
John Drakakis

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From:           Steve Roth <
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Date:           Wednesday, 11 Jul 2001 08:02:55 -0700
Subject: 12.1730 The Tragedy of Claudius
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.1730 The Tragedy of Claudius

>It is quite possible to consider 'Hamlet' as the tragedy of Claudius.

It's an interesting and illuminating view. In his handling of politics
and diplomacy, Claudius is one who is not passion's slave. The heyday in
his blood is tame. The Danish people could fare well under his
rule--perhaps much better than under Old Hamlet's.

But his crime of passion--directly contradicting his cool-headed prowess
in the public realm--can be seen as a tragic flaw in the standard and
somewhat simplistic sense taught in high school (though resulting from
passion/lust/acquisitiveness, not the stock "hubris").

And his political error in keeping his rival to the throne at court,
where he presumably can keep an eye on him, is again a mistake in his
very area of core competency.

It's hard not to admire Claudius. But can we feel pity for him?

Steve
http://princehamlet.com

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From:           Clifford Stetner <
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Date:           Wednesday, 11 Jul 2001 15:06:37 -0400
Subject: 12.1730 The Tragedy of Claudius
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.1730 The Tragedy of Claudius

Romeo and Juliet
Caesar and Brutus
Lear and Edgar
Lord and Lady Macbeth
Othello and Iago
Antony and Cleopatra
and what about Antonio and Shylock?

> The play of 'Hamlet' is the richer for supporting two tragic heroes:
> Hamlet and Claudius. I do not think that happens in any other
> Shakespeare play.
>
> Brian Haylett

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From:           Takashi Kozuka <
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Date:           Thursday, 12 Jul 2001 10:37:40
Subject:        Re: The Tragedy of Claudius

Reinforcing the classical argument that *Hamlet* (the play) can be seen
as the tragedy of Claudius, Brian Haylett <
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proclaims:

>There is no reason to doubt his [Claudius'] love for Gertrude...

Love or lust (or both)? Just curious what SHAKSPEReans would say.

Have a good weekend!

Takashi Kozuka

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