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Re: The Tragedy of Claudius
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 12.1776  Tuesday, 17 July 2001

[1]     From:   Brian Haylett <
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        Date:   Saturday, 14 Jul 2001 16:00:15 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.1739 The Tragedy of Claudius

[2]     From:   Sophie Masson <
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        Date:   Sunday, 15 Jul 2001 22:44:16 +1000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 12.1755 Re: The Tragedy of Claudius

[3]     From:   Harry Teplitz <
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        Date:   Monday, 16 Jul 2001 15:00:30 -0400 (EDT)
        Subj:   Claudius and Cressida


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From:           Brian Haylett <
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Date:           Saturday, 14 Jul 2001 16:00:15 +0100
Subject: 12.1739 The Tragedy of Claudius
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.1739 The Tragedy of Claudius

>Brian Haylett has a point.
>
>Only the play he is talking about is Macbeth...which is the 'tragedy' of
>Claudius.
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>Cheers,
>John Drakakis

Oh, come! Macbeth may be a good general, in a rather violent way, but he
is a bad king. His affection is limited to one person, and perhaps lost
to her by Act Three. He is not goaded into misguided paths by someone
else, after the first murder, but is solely responsible for his own
fate. He cannot be fairly compared with Claudius - other than to say
that if Macbeth is agreed to be a tragic hero, Claudius has the
advantage.

Steve Roth says: 'It's hard not to admire Claudius. But can we feel pity
for him?'

I can and do.

Brian Haylett

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From:           Sophie Masson <
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Date:           Sunday, 15 Jul 2001 22:44:16 +1000
Subject: 12.1755 Re: The Tragedy of Claudius
Comment:        Re: SHK 12.1755 Re: The Tragedy of Claudius

I think Tony Burton makes some excellent points re heroes and villains.
Claudius' supposed tragedy seems to strike echoes amongst people
now--there's also a new production of Hamlet in Sydney that has
precisely this interpretation(with the idea being that old Hamlet was a
bloodthirsty tyrant whom Hamlet was both afraid of and desperately
admiring of, and that Claudius' _only_ sin was to rid the kingdom of Old
Hamlet). But perhaps that is because though ours is supposed to be such
an age that is familiar with, and 'at ease' with ambiguity, in fact the
reverse is the case. Perhaps we have become too accustomed to easy
villainy to be 'comfortable' with the notion of a hero with unpleasant
aspects, as is Hamlet; or a villain with sympathetic aspects, as is
Claudius. Of course, the point is that one _cannot_  be 'comfortable'
with ambiguity. Ambiguity is meant to get under your skin. Shakespeare
and his contemporaries knew that.

Sophie Masson
Author site: http://www.northnet.com.au/~smasson

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From:           Harry Teplitz <
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Date:           Monday, 16 Jul 2001 15:00:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:        Claudius and Cressida

Hi,

I have long argued that Kenneth Branaugh's four-hour Hamlet movie is
more aptly titled the "Tragedy of King Claudius".  Under Branaugh's
direction, Derek Jacobi's king is so sympathetic and so deeply explored
that he seems to eclipse Branaugh's own inscrutable prince.

On another topic, I urge everyone to see the Ashland festival's Troilus
& Cressida.  Director Kenneth Albers has created a magnificent show.  It
is exciting and tender, funny and horrifying.  It
demonstrates razor sharp clarity in the use of the text and stage
imagery; one would never guess that the play had ever been called "a
problem".  This kind of production is the reason that Ashland  enjoys
its stellar reputation.  As an extra treat, in the performance I
attended (July 1), Albers substituted for the regular actor in the role
of Pander.

Cheers,
Harry Teplitz

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