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Re: The Real R&J
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.0160  Thursday, 24 January 2002

[1]     From:   Richard Burt <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 23 Jan 2002 09:53:10 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0154 Will the Real R+J Please Stand Up?

[2]     From:   Paul Franssen <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 23 Jan 2002 16:21:07 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0154 Will the Real R+J Please Stand Up?

[3]     From:   Mary Jane Miller <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 23 Jan 2002 10:58:08 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0154 Will the Real R+J Please Stand Up?

[4]     From:   Markus Marti <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 23 Jan 2002 18:12:35 +0100
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[5]     From:   John D. Cox <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 23 Jan 2002 11:26:29 -0500
        Subj:   Fatal Love Affairs

[6]     From:   Alan Pierpoint <
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        Date:   Thursday, 24 Jan 2002 00:25:40 EST
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0154 Will the Real R+J Please Stand Up?


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From:           Richard Burt <
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Date:           Wednesday, 23 Jan 2002 09:53:10 -0500
Subject: 13.0154 Will the Real R+J Please Stand Up?
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0154 Will the Real R+J Please Stand Up?

Well, Shakespeare used Brooke's poem, which borrowed from the French
(Boaistuau) which borrowed from the Italian versions (Masuccio, da
Porto, Bandello) which borrowed from a 5th century A.D. version by
Xenophon of Ephesus.

Go to http://www.towson.edu/~quick/romeoandjuliet/sources.htm for full
details.

Best,
Richard

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From:           Paul Franssen <
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Date:           Wednesday, 23 Jan 2002 16:21:07 +0100
Subject: 13.0154 Will the Real R+J Please Stand Up?
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0154 Will the Real R+J Please Stand Up?

Robert Peters asks for stories involving lovers from enemy families
before Romeo and Juliet. Well, of course there are the sources that
Shakespeare may have used, from Bandello to Painter and Brooke; but
apart from that, the classical story of Pyramus and Thisbe (Ovid's
*Metamorphoses*) springs to mind.

Paul Franssen
Department of English
Utrecht University
The Netherlands

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From:           Mary Jane Miller <
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Date:           Wednesday, 23 Jan 2002 10:58:08 -0500
Subject: 13.0154 Will the Real R+J Please Stand Up?
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0154 Will the Real R+J Please Stand Up?

And all of us answered Pyramus and Thisbe

Mary Jane

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From:           Markus Marti <
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Date:           Wednesday, 23 Jan 2002 18:12:35 +0100
Subject: 13.0154 Will the Real R+J Please Stand Up?
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0154 Will the Real R+J Please Stand Up?

> Are there Romeo and Juliet kind of texts (boy and girl from enemy camps
> fall fatally in love with each other) written before Shakespeare's Romeo
> and Juliet?
>
> Robert

There is of course "Pyramus and Thisbe" by signore Naso, and all the
usual sources from all around Europe (Masuccio, Luigi da Porto,
Bandello, Boaistuau, Brookes, Painter, cf.
http://www.unibas.ch/shine/linkstragromeowf.html#sources) and Mr.
Chaucer's Troilus and Cressida (Criseyde).

I have just re-checked the links on my website, but it seems that most
of these texts are still not available on-line.

Markus Marti
http://www.unibas.ch/shine/html

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From:           John D. Cox <
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Date:           Wednesday, 23 Jan 2002 11:26:29 -0500
Subject:        Fatal Love Affairs

Robert Peters asks about dramatized stories of fatal love affairs before
*Romeo and Juliet*, and the first one that comes to mind is *Pyramus and
Thisbe* in *A Midsummer Night's Dream*.  It's not clear whether MND
comes before R&J or the other way around, but it IS clear that R&J is
the brilliantly serious version of the story that is parodied with
merciless hilarity in *Pyramus and Thisbe*.

John Cox
Hope College

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From:           Alan Pierpoint <
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Date:           Thursday, 24 Jan 2002 00:25:40 EST
Subject: 13.0154 Will the Real R+J Please Stand Up?
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0154 Will the Real R+J Please Stand Up?

How about Antigone and Haimon?   -Alan Pierpoint

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