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Re: Accents English
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.0161  Thursday, 24 January 2002

[1]     From:   Andy White <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 23 Jan 2002 10:32:45 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0149 Re: Accents English

[2]     From:   Mike Jensen <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 23 Jan 2002 09:11:27 -0800
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0149 Re: Accents English


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From:           Andy White <
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Date:           Wednesday, 23 Jan 2002 10:32:45 -0500
Subject: 13.0149 Re: Accents English
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0149 Re: Accents English

At the risk of undermining the seriousness of this thread, I'd like to
refer one and all to an early sequence in "Hard Day's Night," in which
Wilford Bramley (Paul's Grandfather -- "very clean" but "a real mixer")
manages to get the Beatles' managers into an argument over whether one
of them is _intentionally_ taller than the other.  It's a priceless
routine, and one that points up the ridiculousness of taking excessive
pride/offense at the stuff one is born into.

Andy White

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From:           Mike Jensen <
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Date:           Wednesday, 23 Jan 2002 09:11:27 -0800
Subject: 13.0149 Re: Accents English
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0149 Re: Accents English

Mr. Wonder, er, Weiss, thinks he knows what I mean better than I do.

>when you go to such lengths to emphasize the difference it is not
>irrational for your audience to conclude that you, at least,
>think it is somehow more laudable to be tall than short.

Yes it is.  I do not, and would not believe that, so they would be
wrong.  A smart person would not assume without considering alternate
possibilities.  For me, it would only mean that I am telling all the
people trying to keep me down that I won't stay down, and they are going
to have to deal with it.

>Likewise, when you point out that Will is short and add "not that there's
>anything
>wrong with that" you mean the opposite of what you are saying.

How dare you tell me what I mean?  I have advantages that Will doesn't.
When we go to second hand bookstores together I often fetch things for
him from the top shelf.  And Will has advantages too.  I have go get on
my knees to see the bottom shelf, and he does not.  In the future please
allow me to tell you what I mean!  Do not accuse me of sharing your
bigotry.

>And Karen Peterson takes me to task on stylistic grounds-I did not
>pepper my submission with enough limiting modifiers, like "some."   I
>did not say "all" either.  I never do-well, hardly ever.

You also didn't deny that she is right.  The lack of *some* in your post
was a big grammatical lack.  If you don't believe the statements you
made are true of all women, gay, and black people, say so clearly,
otherwise don't try to hide behind plausible deniability and accusations
that I am a secret bigot.

Mike Jensen

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