2002

TOC: The Library 2:4 (Dec 2001)

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.0141  Tuesday, 22 January 2002

From:           Frank Whigham <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Tuesday, 22 Jan 2002 08:13:00 -0600
Subject:        TOC: The Library 2:4 (Dec 2001)

The Library 2:4 (Dec 2001)

A pre-1592 English Faust book and the date of Marlowe's Doctor Faustus,
RJ Fehrenbach, pp. 327-335.

Incunabula Typographiae: seventeenth-century views on early printing, J
Glomski, pp. 336-348.

Did Halliwell steal and mutilate the first quarto of Hamlet?, A Freeman
and J Ing Freeman, pp. 349-363.

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Pop Culture: All My Children

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.0140  Tuesday, 22 January 2002

From:           "Abigail Quart" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Monday, 21 Jan 2002 17:00:17 -0500
Subject:        Pop Culture: All My Children

All My Children has Erica Kane's lesbian daughter, Bianca, and its
hottest young stud, Leo,  analyzing  Shakespeare sonnet 144 ("Two loves
have I of comfort and despair") as an ongoing plot point mystery.

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Re: Ancient Iago

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.0138  Tuesday, 22 January 2002

From:           Gareth Euridge <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Monday, 21 Jan 2002 12:22:24 -0500
Subject: 13.0120 Re: Ancient Iago
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0120 Re: Ancient Iago

Friends:

I would concur with Ed Taft's suggestion that Iago is lying about having
attempted to win the promotion, although, to be sure, it presupposes
that Roderigo knows nothing about military ranks (not a stretch: when
teaching the play, I ask my students about contemporary rank structures
and very few understand the distinction between commissioned and
non-commissioned officers; after all, we live in a meritocracy . . . ).

This reading also makes sense in the rest of the work.  Not one
character in the play seems to be even the slightest embarrassed by the
fact that Iago is, supposedly, a disappointed candidate:  Othello,
arrived in Cyprus, sends Iago off to get the bags without a thought,
gives him letters to deliver, etc.  Cassio, albeit somewhat awkwardly,
feels free to talk with Iago about his reputation.  Desdemona isn't
embarrassed with Emilia.  And so, Iago, I would suggest, in not perhaps
telling the truth about his career disappointment . . . .

Now, that doesn't mean that Iago doesn't resent the fact that Cassio
swans into Venice with his curling-iron, gets the commission, and, after
a perfunctory time of service, is elevated to the position of governor.

Best, gareth

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Question

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.0139  Tuesday, 22 January 2002

From:           Fran Teague <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Monday, 21 Jan 2002 15:18:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject:        Question

I'm working on a project about Shakespeare in America and came across
this colonial American cartoon about the Boston tea party.

http://loki.stockton.edu/~gilmorew/0colhis/neng70.jpg

It seems to me that I know this illustration, that it parodies a
Shakespeare illustration.

But when I wrote to the fellow who had put up the website, William J.
Gilmore-Lehne, Associate Professor of History, Richard Stockton College
of New Jersey, I learned he died in 1999.

Can anyone offer me information about the Shakespeare scene or the
American parody? I've checked through the Boydell Gallery, the
Shakespeare Illustrated site that Harry Rusche runs, and the usual spots
I consult, to no avail.

Fran Teague http://www.arches.uga.edu/~fteague

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Re: Accents English

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.0137  Tuesday, 22 January 2002

[1]     From:   Mike Jensen <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Monday, 21 Jan 2002 08:38:00 -0800
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0118 Re: Accents English

[2]     From:   Karen Peterson <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Monday, 21 Jan 2002 09:47:06 -0800 (PST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0118 Re: Accents English

[3]     From:   Martin Steward <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Monday, 21 Jan 2002 18:27:26 -0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0118 Re: Accents English

[4]     From:   Sean Lawrence <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Tuesday, 22 Jan 2002 09:53:00 -0800
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0118 Re: Accents English


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From:           Mike Jensen <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Monday, 21 Jan 2002 08:38:00 -0800
Subject: 13.0118 Re: Accents English
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0118 Re: Accents English

Lance, er, Larry Weiss, you had to know I'd get into this.

>"Gay pride" and "black pride" activists and feminists, for example are not
>likely to acknowledge that they are only saying that they are not ashamed
>of being
>gay, black or female (or some combination).  Instead of merely denying the
>bigoted slurs which have victimized them, they insist that they would not
>want to be straight, white or male, that it is better to be what they are
>-- that gays, blacks and women are in fact >superior to others.

Say, what?

I was with you until that last phrase.  It need not follow that
embracing your *blackness* or *gayness* means you believe are superior
to those unlike you.  If you grow up in a world that constantly reminds
you that you are different, and probably inferior, your options are to
fill with self-loathing, or embrace that which stigmatizes you.

I have always thought it goofy that anyone would be proud of being
black, gay, or anything else that can't control.  I'm not proud of being
white, male, heterosexual, or tall.  On the other hand, if I had a
lifetime of the world telling me there was something wrong with being
tall, as a way of shaking my fist at everyone with that attitude I'd
probably wear lifts, moose my hair up (the bit I have left), and get a
t-shirt telling the world I'm proud to be tall.  It is an understandable
(and irrational) reaction - and it does NOT mean I am better than my
friend Will, who is 5'4", or worse than my friend Mike, who is 6'7".

Superior?  Sure, I have met people who think their differences make them
superior.  I have met lots of people who do not.  What an absurd, and,
yes, possibly bigoted assertion.  Come on, Larry.  You should be better
than that, just as those who you describe should be better than that.

>This form of chauvinism, if expressed in a comparable way by
>heterosexuals, whites and men is called homophobia, racism and sexism.

You got that right.  Now it's time to get a mirror.

Mike Jensen

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From:           Karen Peterson <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Monday, 21 Jan 2002 09:47:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 13.0118 Re: Accents English
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0118 Re: Accents English

> But logic seldom correlates exactly with human
> behaviour.  "Gay pride" and "black pride" activists
> and feminists, for example are not likely to
> acknowledge that they are only saying that they are
> not ashamed of being gay, black or female (or some
> combination).  Instead of merely denying the bigoted
> slurs which have victimized them, they insist that
> they would not want to be straight, white or male,
> that it is better to be what they are -- that gays,
> blacks and women are in fact superior to others.

Some -- not ALL -- "pride" activists and feminists undoubtedly do this.
Further, it is possible to "insist" that one would not want to be
something else, without necessarily believing that what one is is
superior.  I wouldn't want to be a male, for example, but I don't
therefore believe that being female is somehow inherently superior.

> Black Studies programs justify their existence by
> finding and exaggerating cultural contributions of
> persons of African heritage or others who might be
> said to be such.  (Try telling a Black Studies
> graduate that Cleopatra was Greek and see what
> reaction you get. --
> Maybe Shakespeare is partly to blame for this.)

This is not the appropriate place for an argument about the relative
merits of black studies programs.  However, I think, again, that the
essential word "SOME" has been omitted.

In today's market-driven academic world, I think ALL university programs
(or at least those in the US, and alas, increasingly here in the UK) are
confronted with the unfortunate necessity of having to "find and
exaggerate" the cultural contributions of their chosen object(s) of
study in order to "justify" their continued existence.  I have been in
the position of having to (admittedly) exaggerate the importance of
Shakespeare when the administration of one of my past universities
wanted to remove the requirement that English majors take ONE
"Introduction to Shakespeare" course (the administration's argument was
that Shakespeare was "too hard" for the students, most of whom were
planning on becoming public school English teachers, and would thus run
counter to the local government's objective of graduating more
teachers.  Sigh.)

> This form of chauvinism, if expressed in a
> comparable way by
> heterosexuals, whites and men is called homophobia,
> racism and sexism.

True enough.  We should (as several of us have noted recently) combat
these things when we find them.  In the effort to combat them, however,
I think it's important to be fairly precise and to avoid sweeping
generalizations.

Karen Peterson

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From:           Martin Steward <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Monday, 21 Jan 2002 18:27:26 -0000
Subject: 13.0118 Re: Accents English
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0118 Re: Accents English

This post is offered respectfully as a constructive rather than reactive
gesture:

Larry Weiss points out that the avatars of "Black Pride", "Gay Pride",
etc.  are actively pressing the superiority of their blackness, gayness,
etc. "This form of chauvinism", he concludes, "if expressed in a
comparable way by heterosexuals, whites and men is called homophobia,
racism and sexism". The reason these phenomena have been given such
staigmatizing names is that, in Europe and North America, a significant
minority have been adversely affected by these types of "chauvinism",
whereas very few have been adversely affected by "Black Pride", "Gay
Pride", etc. As always, the distinction is a simple matter of who wields
the power in a society; a simple matter, but not, for sure, one that
should be dismissed out of a misguided liberalism (or libertarianism).
Larry might have observed that the "chauvinisms" to which he draws
attention have indeed been lumped under their own  rubric - that of
"political correctness" - not by people who have been disenfranchised,
oppressed, or beaten up by "Black Pride", "Gay Pride", etc., but by
intellectuals whose hitherto unchallenged influence over cultural
politics has begun to be questioned by these alternative ideologies. I
accept Larry's point that two wrongs don't make a right; my concern is
that real injustices are perpetuated and legitimized while we look for a
right that might not be possible for us to attain.

m

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From:           Sean Lawrence <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Tuesday, 22 Jan 2002 09:53:00 -0800
Subject: 13.0118 Re: Accents English
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0118 Re: Accents English

Mary Jane Miller says that

>The other thing about having a standard Canadian accent in Britain ( the
>majority of Canadians speak in the same accents as our broadcasters - we
>have few regional accents) which is still true  is that no one can place
>you in terms of class, geography, education etc.

Not entirely, though.  Newfies still have a certain reputation and
there's a reason that one of the country's most successful prime
minister's is still referred to as "the little guy".  I'm always rather
surprised by the variety of accents whenever I travel in Britain or the
United States, but it strikes me that regional variations could be used
a little more in Canadian Shakespeare productions than they are.

Jonathan Hope writes,

>As for present-day accents and their supposed qualities ('clarity',
>'harshness', 'music' etc), numerous linguistic experiments have shown
>that attitudes to accents are wholly learned behaviour - they have
>nothing to do with the phonetic reality of the accents.  It is not true,
>for example, that RP is inherently clearer or more easily understood
>than any other accent of English - rather its use by radio announcers
>meant that more people were exposed to it.

I'm wondering if the wider thesis (that all accents are equally clear)
is really supported by the example of RP.  Wouldn't a better example be
an accent which is really clipped, separating each word and syllable
with the utmost possible clarity?

Cheers, eh.

Se


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