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Re: Medium & Message
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.0618  Monday, 4 March 2002

[1]     From:   Doug Buchanan <
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        Date:   Friday, 01 Mar 2002 10:35:52 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0589 Re: Medium & Message, Fact and "History"

[2]     From:   R. A. Cantrell <
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        Date:   Friday, 01 Mar 2002 10:56:23 -0600
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0611 Re: Medium & Message, Fact and "History"

[3]     From:   Jim Slager <
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        Date:   Friday, 1 Mar 2002 10:09:47 -0800
        Subj:   Re: Stage, Screen, TV or Radio?


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From:           Doug Buchanan <
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Date:           Friday, 01 Mar 2002 10:35:52 -0500
Subject: 13.0589 Re: Medium & Message, Fact and "History"
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0589 Re: Medium & Message, Fact and "History"

When Sting retires, will he be Stung?

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From:           R. A. Cantrell <
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Date:           Friday, 01 Mar 2002 10:56:23 -0600
Subject: 13.0611 Re: Medium & Message, Fact and "History"
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0611 Re: Medium & Message, Fact and "History"

>Thanks  Martin.
> Sean Lawrence, responding favourably to a previous post by R. A.
> Cantrell, asked, "could we even recognize a "(truer) world" without some
> sense of the true?  Can we have comparatives without at least some
> intuition of absolutes?" R. A. Cantrell replied, "See Augustine, St. THE
> UTILITY OF BELIEF; Heidegger, M. Sein und Zeit". I am amused to imagine
> every list member scurrying away to get copies of Heidegger in the
> original German.

Academic fire drill at it's finest.

> On the Augustine, I would oppose Cantrell's selection
> with the passages about the non-existence of evil in Book VII of
> "Confessions", especially xii and xiii

I've read all of Augustine except the Confessions, which I am saving for
my old age. The utility of belief takes up pre-cognition in a very
useful way.  Heidegger takes it up, but it's like pulling teeth to get
round to it.

> (pp.124ff. in the World's
> Classics edition translated by Henry Chadwick, 1992). As for "Being and
> Time", I'm not sure Heidegger's pre-Socratic phenomenology replaces its
> destruction of "intuition of absolutes" with a sense of "comparatives".
> Was not the notion that there were categories that could be put to the
> service of comparison just the sort of Aritotelian (or, more to the
> point, Kantian) paradigm that this sort of hermeneutics was developed to
> challenge? I think my namesake agrees with Sean on that one (but who
> would dare to suggest they know what Heidegger actually means...?)

me. H was a knowing fraud who was quite surprised at having duped his
faculty and thereafter just ran with it. S&Z is an intentionally
obscured apology for animism, with a roughly 100x on word found to word
needed basis.

> Sean wrote that R. A. Cantrell "quoted British pop culture", which got
> the response, "Not of a purpose I didn't, Mr. Dillon". I think that was
> because Sean forgot that it was I who quoted from "1066 and all That",
> mischievous source of the quote which has led rather surprisingly to
> this abstruse discussion and these frightening references. Sellars and
> Yeatman would be highly amused. But that is no more than they deserve!
If I quote from popular culture (knowingly) it will much more likely be
Festus Hagen than Sting. Though I do ( I think) enjoy Sting's music (if
it
is not annoying me at the moment).

Fight , fight , fight, I am behind you 103%

Your Amigo,
Lazlo Toth

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From:           Jim Slager <
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Date:           Friday, 1 Mar 2002 10:09:47 -0800
Subject:        Re: Stage, Screen, TV or Radio?

Sam Small writes,

>Some on this list have said that
>radio is the best medium for Shakespeare - and I have some sympathy for
>that.  However, I want to see the face - close-up and personal - of an
>actor or actress taking on the character and struggling with the pain
>for my sake.  I want to see their eyes and hear the words - that's all I
>want - and television is the only medium that delivers that perfectly.

I'm quite surprised by this.  Wouldn't a good seat in a small theater
for a live production give you what you want better than television?

My list of best mediums for Shakespeare is:

1. Live (with good seat in small theater).
2. Audio with good production (Arkangel).
3. Live (with not so good seat or small theater).
4. Movie with big screen and lots of effects.
5. DVD on TV
6. Everything else.

I especially enjoy the Arkangel audio cassettes (wish they had CDs)
because it delivers the language so powerfully.  Obviously they have to
deliver language since there is no video but they clearly design the
whole operation from the beginning in order to deliver audio.  This is
one million miles away from staging a live production and recording the
audio.  (I wish I knew how to describe this better.)  The other
wonderful thing about audio is that it allows you to study and enjoy
Shakespeare while locked in your car.   I view audio as the last step in
preparation for seeing a play live for the first time.

Regards,
Jim Slager

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