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Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.0684  Thursday, 7 March 2002

[1]     From:   Himadri Chatterjee <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 6 Mar 2002 15:35:38 +0000 (GMT)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos

[2]     From:   Andrew Walker White <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 6 Mar 2002 11:08:14 -0500 (EST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos

[3]     From:   John Ramsay <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 06 Mar 2002 17:07:04 +0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos

[4]     From:   Susan Neill <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 6 Mar 2002 10:13:22 -0800 (PST)
        Subj:   The most stupid people...

[5]     From:   Karen Peterson <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 6 Mar 2002 10:17:34 -0800 (PST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos

[6]     From:   Larry Weiss <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 06 Mar 2002 13:22:38 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos

[7]     From:   Kevin De Ornellas <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 06 Mar 2002 22:57:37 +0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos


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From:           Himadri Chatterjee <
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Date:           Wednesday, 6 Mar 2002 15:35:38 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos

Oh dear! I ... er... I rather like football! Many a time have I been at
Hampden Park, Glasgow, and heard the crowd take up Macduff's cry: "O
Scotland!  Scotland!"

Regards, Himadri

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From:           Andrew Walker White <
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Date:           Wednesday, 6 Mar 2002 11:08:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos

Sam Small is truly fortunate; he is not subjected to the
hyper-dramatization of sporting events here in the USA (cue mournful
strings) -- "his mother slaved at night jobs, and was run over by a
truck with the last payment for his figure-skating tuition in her
saintly hands. . ."

At least the folks in the UK try to dress up their sport a bit with
lines from an actual dramatist, not some pathetic hack in the Sports
room.

Go, Huddersfield!  (are they in the running this year?)

Andy White

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From:           John Ramsay <
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Date:           Wednesday, 06 Mar 2002 17:07:04 +0000
Subject: 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos

>How unfortunate of the BBC - purveyor of many Shakespearean productions
>- to link football (soccer) with Shakespeare.  Football is a spectacle
>played by the second most stupid group of people on the planet - watched
>by the first.  Great drama it isn't - soporific vulgarity it most
>certainly is.
>
>Quote from a very serious top manager straining to be wise: "A game of
>football is not over till the final whistle blows".
>
>Not great poetry either.
>
>SAM SMALL

'Soporific vulgarity'?  How silly to say that about the world's greatest
and most watched game.

As for seriousness in quotations, try this.

Naive reporter, after a Manchester United game: "Why does soccer have to
be such a life and death matter?"

Manager of United: "But you don't understand. It's much more serious
than that."

John Ramsay (East Fife, Scottish FA)

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From:           Susan Neill <
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Date:           Wednesday, 6 Mar 2002 10:13:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject:        The most stupid people...

>How unfortunate of the BBC - purveyor of many
>Shakespearean productions - to link football (soccer)
>with Shakespeare.  Football is a spectacle played by
>the second most stupid group of people on the planet -
>watched by the first.  Great drama it isn't -
>soporific vulgarity it most certainly is.
>
>Quote from a very serious top manager straining to be
>wise: "A game of football is not over till the final
>whistle blows".
>
>Not great poetry either.
>
>SAM SMALL

I'm sure I'm not the first to wonder if Shakespeare would have found
this kind of smug, my-opinion-is-the-only-intelligent-opinion, cultural
elitism just ripe enough for satire.

Since I'm a fan of both football and Shakespeare, am I still one of the
stupidest people on earth? Please, oh please tell me ASAP...

SUSAN NEILL

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Date:           Wednesday, 6 Mar 2002 10:17:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos

> The quote is "Great Drama from the BBC"
>
> Geddit?

Goddit!

I noted this yesterday when I chanced to see the promo in question
again.

Another error in my original post: NOT the semi-finals; it's the
quarter-finals.  I hang my head in shame.

Cheers,
Karen

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From:           Larry Weiss <
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Date:           Wednesday, 06 Mar 2002 13:22:38 -0500
Subject: 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos

> Quote from a very serious top manager straining to be wise: "A game of
> football is not over till the final whistle blows".
>
> Not great poetry either.

No, but this might be:  "It ain't over till its over,"   L.P. (Yogi)
Berra

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From:           Kevin De Ornellas <
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Date:           Wednesday, 06 Mar 2002 22:57:37 +0000
Subject: 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.0671 Re: Shakespearean FA Cup Promos

>From:  Sam Small

>Football is a spectacle played by the second most stupid group of people on
>the planet - watched by the first.  Great drama it isn't - soporific
>vulgarity it most certainly is.

Gosh.  What judgmental superciliousness.  Clearly written by someone who
hasn't recovered from being perennially passed over for the school
team.  Anyway, there is some linkage between soccer and Shakespeare -
both after all, filled the amphitheatres of their day.  I remember a
graduate student at the Shakespeare Institute giving a very fine paper
during 1999.  I can't remember his name, but he argued for the
discursive connections between the plebian mobs of 'Julius Caesar' and
rampaging, contemporary fans of England's soccer team.  He compared Paul
Gascoigne's sexual and militaristic comment about 'feelin' like yer
shooting yer bolt' on the rare occasions that he scored to the passion
that Shakespeare's Hal inspires at Agincourt.  And someone (I can't
remember who) made great play about the 'base footballers' of 'King
Lear' in a journal article a couple of years ago.  Anyway, I thought
that it was a great conceit to kick a football around during the Globe's
'King Lear' last summer.

>"A game of football is not over till the final whistle blows". Not great
>poetry either.

I don't think that was meant to be 'great poetry', so condemnation of
the speaker's lack of bardic virtuosity seems a little unnecessary.  And
the manager was making a serious point: players must concentrate for the
full period of ninety minutes plus injury time.  When guards drop, silly
goals are conceded.  Is that comment any less felicitous than one Dromio
telling another Dromio that they'll 'go hand in hand, not one before
another'?

If you are seeking genuinely barmy quotations from football managers,
then Kevin Keegan normally provides adequate material.  My favourite
Keeganball was his half-time comment during a game in Merseyside: 'I'd
love to be a mole on the wall in the Liverpool dressing room'.

Kevin De Ornellas
Queen's University, Belfast

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