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Re: A Renaissance in Need of Reform
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.07385  Wednesday, 13 March 2002

[1]     From:   Don Bloom <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 12 Mar 2002 09:49:34 -0600
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.07366 Re: A Renaissance in Need of Reform

[2]     From:   R. A. Cantrell <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 12 Mar 2002 09:52:07 -0600
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.07366 Re: A Renaissance in Need of Reform

[3]     From:   Judi Wilkins <
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        Date:   Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:00:54 +1100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.07366 Re: A Renaissance in Need of Reform

[4]     From:   Martin Orkin <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 13 Mar 2002 05:07:12 -0800
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From:           Don Bloom <
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Date:           Tuesday, 12 Mar 2002 09:49:34 -0600
Subject: 13.07366 Re: A Renaissance in Need of Reform
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.07366 Re: A Renaissance in Need of Reform

I have to go along with TH on this one: I, too, find Weinstein quite
amusing at times. Of course, I've apparently missed some of his
effusions, and he hasn't gored any of my oxen. But that kind of writing
-- the Breezy-Vitriolic school -- can be quite refreshing. Provided, of
course, one's own pets remain unscathed. (But then: "Let the galled jade
wince; our withers are unwrung.")

Brain Willis's point is well-taken (that film adaptations of Shakespeare
are the Late 20th Century equivalents of the Restoration adaptations),
but my response is almost diametrically the opposite. I read a large
number of these efforts (maybe all of them) in graduate school, when I
was considering working up a dissertation on that topic, and I found
them generally terrible -- maddeningly perverse in cutting or changing
the best things in order to make the plays as dull, predictable and
sentimental as possible. I don't find it an excuse that the audience
wanted them that way. Sometimes taste becomes inexplicably, but
decidedly, stupid. About that all I can say is (following Gogo),
"Nothing to be done."

Cheers,
don

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From:           R. A. Cantrell <
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Date:           Tuesday, 12 Mar 2002 09:52:07 -0600
Subject: 13.07366 Re: A Renaissance in Need of Reform
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.07366 Re: A Renaissance in Need of Reform

> Charles Weinstein's contributions strike me as well-written,
> intelligent, incisive and funny. No doubt, for some of our colleagues,
> these qualities lie so far removed from those fostered by their own
> practices as to seem treasonable. However, any suggestion that he is
> 'abusing the list' is absurd. Enough of this self-congratulatory
> hand-wringing.  We have recently learned that, as a result of his
> opinions, Mr. Weinstein has himself been subjected to horrific abuse
> off-list. We should be glad that he still bothers to write for us.

I agree entirely with Professor Hawkes and commend him for taking the
van. I disagree with some of Professor Weinstein's judgements, but I am
not prepared to challenge his acumen or sensibilities.

All the best,
R.A. Cantrell
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From:           Judi
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Date:           Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:00:54 +1100
Subject: 13.07366 Re: A Renaissance in Need of Reform
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.07366 Re: A Renaissance in Need of Reform

It's not Shakespearean, but I can't resist adding my 2 cents worth to
the Cognomen Syndrome.  The best man at my several-years-ago wedding was
an Air Force medico, one Doctor Killer!  Some years later, my son the
teenage actor (who is about to close as Stanley after a sell out season
of 'Brighton Beach Memoirs') was delivered by a Doctor Cutter.

Judi

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From:           Martin Orkin <
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Date:           Wednesday, 13 Mar 2002 05:07:12 -0800
Subject: 13.07366 Re: A Renaissance in Need of Reform
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.07366 Re: A Renaissance in Need of Reform

Dear R A Cantrell,

> > Actually, I have always found L DiCaprio particularly dishy. Sounds like
> > I'd rather meet him, or indeed Baz Luhrmann, than Charles Weinstein, in
> > a dark Stratford alley, any night of the week,
>
>Nice weather. How about those Dodgers?

Well, yes. I think these films (a few of them) are interesting because
of what they do with their sources, what they are in themselves as
films, not whether or not they are 'true' to your or my particular
version of those sources. The '+ ' in  Luhrmann's title 'Romeo + Juliet'
is one way of inviting this kind of gaze and critics such as W. B.
Worthen and Barbara Hodgdon are wonderfully suggestive about some of the
processes in this film, understanding it as in itself a phenomenon of a
kind. By the same token I think Taymor's Titus and Loncraine's Richard
III to be worth thinking about. Whether or not particular performances
are 'true' to their 'Renaissance' source/origins, or silly about them,
is in a way an amusing enough topic. Despite my confessed crush, if hard
pressed I'll admit that DiCaprio is a bit insipid as 'Romeo'. But, yes,
isn't this beyond a certain easily reached point, a bit like your or my
opinion on the weather or, in my case, no, not the Dodgers, but how to
beat the Australians at cricket?

Thanks for the nudge.

Martin Orkin

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