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Re: Movies and Other Issues
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.1204  Wednesday, 1 May 2002

[1]     From:   Sam Small <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 30 Apr 2002 18:27:46 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.1154 Re: Hamlets and Movies

[2]     From:   Annalisa Castaldo <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 30 Apr 2002 14:15:37 -0400
        Subj:   RE: SHK 13.1195 Re: It's Only a Movie

[3]     From:   Terence Hawkes <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 1 May 2002 09:19:34 -0400
        Subj:   SHK 13.1189 Re: Hamlets and Movies


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From:           Sam Small <
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Date:           Tuesday, 30 Apr 2002 18:27:46 +0100
Subject: 13.1154 Re: Hamlets and Movies
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.1154 Re: Hamlets and Movies

I think Brian Willis is trying to spin criticism of his tastes into
criticism of himself in order to silence the criticism of his tastes.  I
was one of the list member who despised "Titus" and "R+J" as
opportunistic rubbish.  Mr Willis, I fear, tries to take this all too
personally and tries to class me, with others, as personal attackers.  I
made my feelings plain and gave reasons for my ire but on not one
occasion did I attack a list member.  In my view these films deserve to
be denounced as manipulative fakes - but of course, that is just my
firmly held opinion.  I have no hot line to God to check on its validity
- Brian's view may well be divine.  I sympathetically suggest that
Brian's irritation is due to his insecurity with his opinion.

But he isn't the first on the list to adopt this tactic.  I take
Shakespeare very seriously and if a performer or director, in my
opinion, mangles the text and characters for personal gain I will speak
out - but never against fellow list members.  I support Charles
Weinstein and others who took the decision to express a negative view
rather than say that all things Shakespeare were "just wonderful."  Many
directors like Luhrmann and Taymor with countless actors and actresses
have dipped into Shakespeare for career reasons.  If their introduction
from the talk show host contains the word "Shakespeare" then the career
move was worth it.  You also may be aware of how many times these people
made the dip into Bard-dom.  It's usually once.  Point proved.

SAM SMALL
http://www.passioninpieces.co.uk

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From:           Annalisa Castaldo <
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Date:           Tuesday, 30 Apr 2002 14:15:37 -0400
Subject: 13.1195 Re: It's Only a Movie
Comment:        RE: SHK 13.1195 Re: It's Only a Movie

>Annalisa Castaldo replies:
>
>>My point here is that the very terms
>>"genius, truths, culture" are culturally and socially created. But I
>>don't believe that realization should lead to throwing out the terms or
>>the works formally designated as truthful or genius. We are, after all,
>>social creatures who want to comfortably interact with each other and
>>have common bonds. Just because there is no absolutely universal truth
>>doesn't mean that more local truths aren't worthwhile.
>
>As a matter of curiosity, how do we know that "there is no absolutely
>universal truth"?
>
>Cheers,
>don

Ah, you have me there. I just know that in my studies, I've realized
that even things I consider absolutely basic to human nature have, in
some culture or other, been overturned. Various tribes have promoted
cannibalism, the Amish do not believe in violence even for self-defense,
the ancient Egyptian Pharaohs regularly practiced incest....After a
while I just gave up and became a relativist, but of course that means I
have to support the right to a view that there are universal truths!

Annalisa Castaldo

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From:           Terence Hawkes <
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Date:           Wednesday, 1 May 2002 09:19:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Hamlets and Movies
Comment:        SHK 13.1189 Re: Hamlets and Movies

Sean Lawrence offers some profound Shakespearean truths:

>the contingency of worldly fame; the inevitability of death; the >question of what we owe to the dead

But you can get all that from watching Arsenal. Mind you, for 'the
thrownness of Dasein', it would probably have to be Liverpool.

T. Hawkes

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