The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.1384  Tuesday, 21 May 2002

[1]     From:   Kevin De Ornellas <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 21 May 2002 16:48:11 +0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.1367 Re: Theobald

[2]     From:   Larry Weiss <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 21 May 2002 15:35:44 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.1367 Re: Theobald

[3]     From:   Susanne Collier <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 21 May 2002 16:59:46 -0700
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.1367 Re: Theobald


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From:           Kevin De Ornellas <
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Date:           Tuesday, 21 May 2002 16:48:11 +0000
Subject: 13.1367 Re: Theobald
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.1367 Re: Theobald

>From: Peter Donaldson

>Holin Shed or Holins Hed?

According to Ralph H. Emerson ("The Unpronounceables: Difficult Literary
Names: 1500-1940", 'English Language Notes', 34.2 [1996]), 'the name is
historically identical to Holligshead and is therefore HOLLINS HEAD, not
HOLIN SHED'.  However, I wonder if Emerson's prescriptive approach is
really helpful or necessary?  Much like the ShakespearEAN/ShakespearIAN
'issue', I think that different people will always favour their own
gut-feeling.  I tend to pick a reasonably-tolerable pronunciation and
just stick to it.  I think that as long as one sticks to a method that
one feels comfortable with, then it doesn't really matter if ones speaks
of, for instance, the theological controversies in the poetry of CRAW
SHAW or CRASH AW or CRAWS HAW or whatever.

Kevin De Ornellas
Queen's University, Belfast

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From:           Larry Weiss <
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Date:           Tuesday, 21 May 2002 15:35:44 -0400
Subject: 13.1367 Re: Theobald
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.1367 Re: Theobald

Since Graham Hall seems expert on the Bishop of Ely's palace in Holborn,
perhaps he can clarify a point for me.  I have been told that the locale
of the Bishop's residence, Ely Place (a small street off High Holborn in
the City of London), is politically a part of Cambridgeshire.  Anything
to this?

By the way, there are no strawberries growing there anymore.

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From:           Susanne Collier <
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Date:           Tuesday, 21 May 2002 16:59:46 -0700
Subject: 13.1367 Re: Theobald
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.1367 Re: Theobald

Just to quibble about tibble:

I'm not sure that we can assume that the person's name is pronounced the
same way as a piece of property.  The battle of Trafalgar, as we've
learnt in history books, is pronounced in nicely iambic pattern with the
emphasis on fal..I'm reliably informed that the country house named in
honour of that battle has always been pronounced like a dactyl; TRA fal
gar.

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