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Re: J. P. Collier
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.2355  Friday, 29 November 2002

[1]     From:   Nick Jones <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 27 Nov 2002 10:57:46 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.2347 J. P. Collier

[2]     From:   Ben Fisler <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 27 Nov 2002 13:43:43 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.2347 J. P. Collier

[3]     From:   Alan Somerset <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 27 Nov 2002 14:20:40 -0500
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[4]     From:   Takashi Kozuka <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 27 Nov 2002 21:03:58 +0000 (GMT)
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From:           Nick Jones <
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Date:           Wednesday, 27 Nov 2002 10:57:46 -0500
Subject: 13.2347 J. P. Collier
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.2347 J. P. Collier

I forget the details, but they're elegantly narrated in my colleague
Dewey Ganzel's biography of Collier, Fortune and Men's Eyes (Oxford,
1982).

Nick Jones
Oberlin College

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From:           Ben Fisler <
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Date:           Wednesday, 27 Nov 2002 13:43:43 -0500
Subject: 13.2347 J. P. Collier
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.2347 J. P. Collier

There's also his 1805 (oldest extant edition 1828) book on street
theatre, published by Septimus Prowett - unfortunate since it's the
first document on that marvelously brutal tradition of popular theatre,
Punch and Judy.  It did lead to the circulation of George Cruikshank's
detailed sketches, which are probably accurate, but, as George Speaight
points out, Payne's text is too wordy to be a legitimate street play,
and it is known Payne forged a sonnet by Byron celebrating Punch, and he
claimed

Yours,
Ben Fisler
UMDCP

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From:           Alan Somerset <
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Date:           Wednesday, 27 Nov 2002 14:20:40 -0500
Subject: 13.2347 J. P. Collier
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.2347 J. P. Collier

Re:  Collier as forger

Two places to look for information: (1) there's a long chapter on
Collier in Samuel Schoenbaum, _Shakespeare's Lives_); (2) John
Whitehead, _This Solemn Mockery: The Art of Literary Forgery_, has a
chapter on Collier, "Librarian Gone Wrong."

Alan Somerset

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From:           Takashi Kozuka <
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Date:           Wednesday, 27 Nov 2002 21:03:58 +0000 (GMT)
Subject:        Re: J. P. Collier

I would recommend that those who would like to study Shakespearean
forgeries should start with Schoenbaum's monumental Shakespeare's Lives.

Best wishes,
Takashi Kozuka

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From:           Andrew Murphy <
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Date:           Thursday, 28 Nov 2002 09:02:02 +0000
Subject: 13.2347 J. P. Collier
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.2347 J. P. Collier

There is a book on Collier:

Dewey Ganzel, _Fortune and Men's Eyes: The Career of John Payne Collier_
(Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1982)

but most people consider it to be unsatisfactory -- Ganzel tries to
defend Collier from the worst charges of forgery. For a negative review,
see

Arthur Freeman, 'A New Victim for the Old Corrector', _TLS_, 22 April,
1983: 391-3 (and the subsequent acrimonious exchange of correspondence
in the letters pages of the _TLS_).

See also Freeman and Janet Ing Freeman, 'Scholarship, Forgery, and
Fictive Invention: John Payne Collier before 1831', _The Library_, sixth
series, XV:1 (1993): 1-23.

The Freemans were, I think, working on their own study of Collier.

The following might also be of interest:

John W. Velz, 'The Collier Controversy Redivivus', _Shakespeare
Quarterly_, 1985 36:1 (1985): 106-15.

Giles E. Dawson, 'John Payne Collier's Great Forgery', _Studies in
Bibliography_, 24 (1971): 1-26.

Cheers,
Andrew

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