2002

Editors Observations

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.2341  Wednesday, 27 November 2002

From:           Hardy M. Cook <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Wednesday, November 27, 2002
Subject:        Editor


Self-Moderation

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.2340  Monday, 25 November 2002

From:           Hardy M. Cook <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Monday, November 25, 2002
Subject:        Self-Moderation

Dear SHAKSPEReans,

I may just be me, but a number of posts of the past week seem more
addressed to individuals than to the list itself.

Please send responses to individuals directly to the individual
concerned and responses to the list to the list.

Thanks,
Hardy


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Re: "Speaking Shakespeare"

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.2338  Monday, 25 November 2002

[1]     From:   Martin Steward <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Friday, 22 Nov 2002 14:20:45 -0000
        Subj:   SHK 13.2328 "Speaking Shakespeare" - American Beauty / Romance

[2]     From:   Sam Small <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Sunday, 24 Nov 2002 15:53:45 -0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.2328 Re: "Speaking Shakespeare"


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From:           Martin Steward <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 22 Nov 2002 14:20:45 -0000
Subject: "Speaking Shakespeare" - American Beauty / Romance
Comment:        SHK 13.2328 "Speaking Shakespeare" - American Beauty / Romance

I agree with Al Magary that American Beauty was not "daring or
original". I also agree that it was "clich


The Right of Opinion (from SHK 13.2224 Re: Taming of

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.2339  Monday, 25 November 2002

From:           Sam Small <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Sunday, 24 Nov 2002 16:51:42 -0000
Subject: of Opinion (from SHK 13.2224 Re: Taming of the Shrew
Comment:        The Right of Opinion (from SHK 13.2224 Re: Taming of the Shrew
Film)

Bob Rosen's response to my post missed the point badly.

"There are very intelligent folks who can't run a computer." he says.  I
was talking about taste or rather 'opinion'.  There is no accounting for
opinion whereas the reason why someone knows nothing about computers is
they have learned nothing about computers.  You cannot learn to like
something.  However, you may change your mind about something through an
extended exposure to it - and then again you might not.

He further says "To say Mozart's music is 'spiritless, clever-clever,
computer-esque, soulless, two dimensional, repetitive and tuneless' is
an act of intellectual vandalism. That's like setting fire to a great
library because you hate books."

Again missing the point.  I wasn't declaring my intention to destroy
Mozart by fire, I merely said I thought his music was rubbish.

He goes on, "It's enough to say that you don't dig Mozart personally for
reasons you keep to yourself, thereby permitting others to decide about
Mozart for themselves without being influenced by a partisan opinion."

This sort of suggested censorship of someone else's opinion would sit
well in any totalitarian state.  I find the crass, parroted view that
"Mozart is a genius, etc." offensive and irritating.  And no, I won't
keep my Mozart views to myself - unless you do, Bob.

Finally, and most patronisingly, "When you have the time, please take in
a good performance of Don Giovanni. You might reconsider your initial
estimation of Wolfgang Amadeus. Give genius a chance."

I heard it - and hated it.

SAM SMALL
http://www.passioninpieces.co.uk

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Re: Anything Goes

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.2337  Monday, 25 November 2002

From:           R. A. Cantrell <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 22 Nov 2002 07:41:39 -0600
Subject: 13.2327 Re: Anything Goes
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.2327 Re: Anything Goes

>Not even so much as "The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis" influenced
>"Scooby-Doo", in my opinion.  But surely "influence" is a dangerously
>multivalent word?  One need not be a Bloomite to recognize that
>Shakespeare is a major ingredient of the cultural soup we all stew in,
>even the outright illiterates.

I too hope that C. Weinstein remains among us. FYI, in the first season
of Dobie Gillis, Warren Beattie played the rich kid (Chatsworth Osborne
III), and Tuesday Weld played the siren (muse) and her character's name
was Thalia Menninger. Max Shulman was having a conversation with someone
other than my fourteen year old psyche. He landed a haymaker with
Maynard G. Krebs  (from which  I never recovered).

All the best,
R.A. Cantrell
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