2002

Re: Taming of the Shrew Film...

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.2161  Wednesday, 30 October 2002

[1]     From:   Richard Nathan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 15:49:02 +0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.2152 Re: Taming of the Shrew Film...

[2]     From:   Jay Louden <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 09:25:32 -0800
        Subj:   RE: SHK 13.2152 Re: Taming of the Shrew Film...

[3]     From:   Virginia Byrne <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 17:00:04 EST
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.2152 Re: Taming of the Shrew Film...

[4]     From:   John V. Knapp <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Wednesday, 30 Oct 2002 00:30:13 -0600 (CST)
        Subj:   Response to Re: Taming of the Shrew Film...


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From:           Richard Nathan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 15:49:02 +0000
Subject: 13.2152 Re: Taming of the Shrew Film...
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.2152 Re: Taming of the Shrew Film...

The ACT production of "Taming Of The Shrew that Michael B. Luskin wrote
about is now available on DVD from Broadway Theater Archives, which also
has the Sam Waterston production of "Much Ado About Nothing."

Richard Nathan

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From:           Jay Louden <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 09:25:32 -0800
Subject: 13.2152 Re: Taming of the Shrew Film...
Comment:        RE: SHK 13.2152 Re: Taming of the Shrew Film...

The trouble is, though, that students often assume that because they
have seen the movie, they needn't read the text. They even assume that
because they have seen "Ten Things I Hate About You," they know "Shrew."
I would just give them a teaser, say the first scene between Kate and
Petruchio and then show the whole video after they have read the entire
text.

Jay Louden
Sage Hill School
Newport Beach, CA

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From:           Virginia Byrne <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 17:00:04 EST
Subject: 13.2152 Re: Taming of the Shrew Film...
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.2152 Re: Taming of the Shrew Film...

I just ordered the DVD from The Broadway Archives actually kultur
international film in New Jersey www.kultur.com

Virginia Byrne

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From:           John V. Knapp <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Wednesday, 30 Oct 2002 00:30:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: SHK 13.2152 Re: Taming of the Shrew Film...
Comment:        Response to Re: SHK 13.2152 Re: Taming of the Shrew Film...

Dear Mr. Luskin --

With all due respects to your attempt at motivating semi-literate
students to "experience" Shakespeare, I think the WORST strategy for a
teacher is to show the kids a film version BEFORE they've struggled with
the text themselves.  There are many pedagogically-sound ways of getting
recalcitrant students to read early modern English; however, once
they've seen a film version first, THAT version is embedded in their
minds as THE play, and their imaginative recreation (imagining
characters, scenes, specific movements) of the words-on-the-page is
calcified in a way that does not seem to happen with live theater.  In
the USA at least, we seem to be raising a generation of non-readers
aided and abetted, in part, by teachers giving in to the pressures of
those more interested in video-games, TV, and film versions of S.
glossing over the most important elements -- language and verbal music
-- found in much live theatre.

John V. Knapp

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Recent Discovery of T. Jenkins' Diary (Titus

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.2160  Wednesday, 30 October 2002

From:           Alexander Huang <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 07:44:37 -0800
Subject:        Recent Discovery of T. Jenkins' Diary (Titus Andronicus)

I need to verify the sources, references, and validity of the following
discovery, and would appreciate any info.

Does any one know of the recent discovery of diary fragments (December
2, 1592 and January 23, 1593) in the Bodleian Library which have been
claimed to be the direct evidence of the working process of the
Elizabethan theatre?  The entries in Latin were said to have been
written by Thomas Jenkins, a law student who worked briefly at the
Theater in Shoreditch. The participants in the dialogue are probably
James Burbage, Richard Burbage, and William Shakespeare, conversing on
Titus Andronicus and its tragic elements. Thomas Kyd's Jeronimo (Spanish
Tragedy), a successful play in Henslowe's Rose, is mentioned as a major
competitor.

Alexander Huang

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Re: St. Crispin's Day

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.2158  Wednesday, 30 October 2002

[1]     From:   Marcus Dahl <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 10:36:05 EST
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.2145 Re: St. Crispin's Day

[2]     From:   D Bloom <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 09:46:09 -0600
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.2145 Re: St. Crispin's Day

[3]     From:   Steve Roth <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 11:12:58 -0800
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.2136 Re: St. Crispin's Day

[4]     From:   Al Magary <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 13:41:01 -0800
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.2145 Re: St. Crispin's Day


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From:           Marcus Dahl <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 10:36:05 EST
Subject: 13.2145 Re: St. Crispin's Day
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.2145 Re: St. Crispin's Day

Just on a related note: Henry Sixth Part One is of course full of
Saints: (due we must suppose to the abounding influence of the late to
become St.Joan ...)

St. Martin (obscurely linked with Halcyon Days)
St. Philip (Acts XXI)
St. Denis (French Nat. St.)
St. George (our hero Talbot's St.)

Best,
Marcus

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From:           D Bloom <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 09:46:09 -0600
Subject: 13.2145 Re: St. Crispin's Day
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.2145 Re: St. Crispin's Day

Robert D. Swets refers to "Noo Yawk accent," but our non-American
colleagues should be advised that the correct pronunciation is Nuh Yuck.
Noo Yawk is how it would be said in, say, Alabama. N'yuckers themselves,
however, usually refer to specific areas, such as Bwooklun, da Bwonx,
Juisey, Lawn Guyland, and so forth.

Cheers,
don

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From:           Steve Roth <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 11:12:58 -0800
Subject: 13.2136 Re: St. Crispin's Day
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.2136 Re: St. Crispin's Day

Alison Anne Chapman addresses the St. Crispin's issue in great depth in
Chapter 3, "Whose St. Crispin's Day Is It?", in her 1996 dissertation,
Reforming Time: Calendars and Almanacs in Early Modern England (U.
Penn.). A (very brief) summary of some of her points:

o Shoemakers and cobblers had some claim to higher social status than
other guilds, and pretensions to greater, including greater ability to
rise to gentility. It was called "the gentle craft."

o The guild also staked a claim to some control over holidays, including
the ability to declare and coopt holidays and some shuffling of saint's
names and dates.

o Shoemakers and the shoemaker's holidays were hence closely associated
with the mixing and reversal of social classes associated with holiday
revels.

o Shoemaker's ability to mend "souls" may also have contributed to their
holiday-making status

o This is all depicted in many writings of the time that treat
shoemakers, cobblers, and the brothers Crispin/Crispianus (the titles
themselves speak volumes): Dekker's Shoemaker's Holiday (1599), Match
Mee in London (1631), and If This be not a Good Play, the Divell is in
It (1612), Robert Greene's Quip for an Upstart Courtier (1592), Henry V,
Julius Caesar, Tragedie of Locrine (1595, anonymous), George a Greene,
Pinnar of Wakefield (1599, anonymous), The Cobler Turned Courtier (1680,
anonymous chapbook), Deloney's The Gentle Craft (1597), Rowley's A
Shoemaker, A Gentleman (1609), Ward's Simple Cobler of Aggawam (1647),
and A Knack to Know a Knave (1594, anonymous). Chapman cites several
others.

o By invoking St. Crispin's (repeatedly!) in the place that St. George
occupied earlier in the play and in other accounts of Agincourt, Henry
coopts the holiday-making power for his own, and for the crown. In
Chapman's words:

"Just as Henry forestalls the traitors' challenge to his life and
kingship, on the eve of battle he preempts another threat to his
sovereignity, one that is posed by plebeian shoemakers and that
challenges his control over the calendar and the nation's memory. ...by
linking St. Crispin's Day to a rhetoric of obedience, martial
solidarity, and loyalty to the king, the play neutralizes the tendency
of shoemakers to make subversive holdiays that celebrate their own
material advancement. Henry fastions a shoemaker's holiday that
celebrates monarchical instead of artisinal power, and he insures that
this holiday will celebrate his own apotheosis as England's saint-king
rather than the transformation of shoemakers into gentlemen. ... [he]
rechannels the unruly, upward-thrusting energies of shoemakers into
royal service, figuring the king's war as the shoemaker's primary work
and martial valor as the only lawful means of social and economic
advancement."

N.B.: Chapman acknowledges her debt to Jonathan Baldo's article, "Wars
of Memory in Henry V" [SQ 47, Summer 1996]. I have not read this
article. Chapman says: "Jonathan Baldo has shown how the play repeatedly
manipulates national memory in order to build a sense of nationhood that
serves monarchial interests, and he points to the St. Crispin's Day
speech's appropriation of the ritual calendar as an instance of such
elite configurations of memory."

For those interested in the power of the calendar in early modern
England, I enthusiastically recommend David Cressy's Bonfires and Bells:
national memory and the Protestant calendar in Elizabethan and Stuart
England (London : Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1989). Some of the best
history writing I've come across in a while, enjoyably written and
largely untainted with ideological cant.

Thanks,
Steve
http://princehamlet.com

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From:           Al Magary <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 13:41:01 -0800
Subject: 13.2145 Re: St. Crispin's Day
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.2145 Re: St. Crispin's Day

Many thanks to those who offered views on why Shakespeare has Henry V
make six references to St. Crispin.  I'm especially persuaded by the
story that Crispin and Crispinian were in Faversham, on the London-Dover
road, and that Deloney and Rowley helped make the shoemaker brothers
local/London favorites among the saints.

BTW standard histories sometimes mention that Agincourt was fought on
that feast day but neither the English nor French planned ahead to
engage that day.  Shakespeare's luck.

Al Magary

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Re: Barbican

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.2159  Wednesday, 30 October 2002

From:           R. A. Cantrell <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 09:43:51 -0600
Subject: 13.2149 Re: Barbican
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.2149 Re: Barbican

For centers of print activity and lists of where printers were located
Thanks for the response, but my interest is not in printers or print
activity, but in centers of public activity per se. Powle's churchyard
was a center for speaking (at the Cross) and for other infotainment. Did
the same kinds of things (sermons, broadside readings, novelty acts)
take place at some spot in the Barbican district? Were there more such
places? Is there a study extant that focuses on same?

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Re: Hamlet Available Editions

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 13.2157  Wednesday, 30 October 2002

[1]     From:   Terri Bourus <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 10:24:42 -0500
        Subj:   RE: SHK 13.2144 Hamlet Available Editions

[2]     From:   Steve Roth <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 11:46:42 -0800
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.2144 Hamlet Available Editions

[3]     From:   David Bishop <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 14:44:02 -0800
        Subj:   Re: SHK 13.2144 Hamlet Available Editions


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From:           Terri Bourus <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 10:24:42 -0500
Subject: 13.2144 Hamlet Available Editions
Comment:        RE: SHK 13.2144 Hamlet Available Editions

A new Arden Hamlet will be available soon: one that includes Q1. Still,
my copy of the 1982 edition is dog-eared from use. Until I see the new
Arden, I recommend the Jenkins text--combined with The First Quarto of
Hamlet, edited by Kathleen Irace and published by Cambridge University
Press.

Terri Bourus

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From:           Steve Roth <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Tuesday, 29 Oct 2002 11:46:42 -0800
Subject: 13.2144 Hamlet Available Editions
Comment:        Re: SHK 13.2144 Hamlet Available Editions

I'd definitely recommend Jenkins for a single modern-spelling edition.
It's also worth picking up a cheap used copy of the Dover reprint of the
Furness Variorum on Abebooks.com. If you really want to look at the
source texts look to the Enfolded Hamlet, online at
<http://www.global-language.com/enfolded.html>. (You can get it printed
for a few bucks by ordering the 1996 Shakespeare Newsletter "Extra
Issue" containing it.)

I'd also recommend a new edition that Bernice Kliman has spoken well of
on this list, and that I also find useful:

Tronch-P


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