The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.0292 Monday, 17 February 2003
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Date: Friday, 14 Feb 2003 10:45:03 -0500
Subj: Re: SHK 14.0290 Shakespeare's Dogs
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Date: Friday, 14 Feb 2003 11:01:54 -0500
Subj: Re: SHK 14.0290 Shakespeare's Dogs
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Date: Friday, 14 Feb 2003 16:12:20 -0000
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Date: Friday, 14 Feb 2003 16:32:58 -0000
Subj: Re: SHK 14.0290 Shakespeare's Dog
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Date: Friday, 14 Feb 2003 21:18:25 +0000
Subj: Dogged Topic
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Date: Friday, 14 Feb 2003 13:49:31 -0800
Subj: Re: SHK 14.0290 Shakespeare's Dogs
[7] From: Tom Pendleton <
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Date: Friday, 14 Feb 2003 21:59:10 -0500
Subj: RE: SHK 14.0290 Shakespeare's Dogs
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From: Michael Friedman <
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Date: Friday, 14 Feb 2003 10:45:03 -0500
Subject: 14.0290 Shakespeare's Dogs
Comment: Re: SHK 14.0290 Shakespeare's Dogs
I don't know of any modern productions of *Taming* that have employed a
dog, but in Sam Taylor's black and white film version of the play
(1929), Douglas Fairbanks as Petruchio famously delivers his soliloquy
after arriving home to Troilus (a Great Dane, if I remember correctly),
which is overheard by Katherine.
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From: Claude Caspar <
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Date: Friday, 14 Feb 2003 11:01:54 -0500
Subject: 14.0290 Shakespeare's Dogs
Comment: Re: SHK 14.0290 Shakespeare's Dogs
One thinks of Kafka's parable, Leopards in the Temple. Dogs were
everywhere as the film, "Shakespeare in Love," nicely portrayed. I
don't doubt you have hit upon a perfect instance of its crowd-pleasing.
I also think of Auden's great poem,
W. H. Auden (1907 - 1973) 20
Musee des Beaux Arts
About suffering they were never wrong,
The Old Masters: how well they understood
Its human position; how it takes place
While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully
along;
How, when the aged are reverently, passionately waiting
For the miraculous birth, there always must be
Children who did not specially want it to happen, skating
On a pond at the edge of the wood:
They never forgot
That even the dreadful martyrdom must run its course
Anyhow in a corner, some untidy spot
Where the dogs go on with their doggy life and the torturer's horse
Scratches its innocent behind on a tree.
In Brueghel's Icarus, for instance: how everything turns away
Quite leisurely from the disaster; the ploughman may
Have heard the splash, the forsaken cry,
But for him it was not an important failure; the sun s hone
As it had to on the white legs disappearing into the green
Water; and the expensive delicate ship that must have seen
Something amazing, a boy falling out of the sky,
Had somewhere to get to and sailed calmly on.
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From: Robert Shaughnessy <
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Date: Friday, 14 Feb 2003 16:12:20 -0000
Subject: 14.0290 Shakespeare's Dogs
Comment: RE: SHK 14.0290 Shakespeare's Dogs
Michael Dobson has an amusing and informative piece, 'Renaissance Dogs:
The Transformation of the Onstage Canine, 1550-1850', in Performance
Research, Vol 5, No. 2 (Summer 2000).
Robert Shaughnessy
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From: Martin Steward <
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Date: Friday, 14 Feb 2003 16:32:58 -0000
Subject: 14.0290 Shakespeare's Dogs
Comment: Re: SHK 14.0290 Shakespeare's Dogs
>a) is there much evidence of use and training of animals
>in Elizabethan theatre in general?
I believe that poore Elizabethan dogges were trained to fight with bears
& lions, and that they sometimes did so in playhouses.
See Arthur MacGregor, "The Household Out of Doors: The Stuart Court and
the Animal Kingdom": Cruickshanks, ed., The Stuart Courts (Stroud 2000),
pp.86-117
martin
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From: Graham Hall <
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Date: Friday, 14 Feb 2003 21:18:25 +0000
Subject: Dogged Topic
James Doyle asks about woofers. They ran (?)last year in various guises.
However, the mechanicals for starters give pause....."part to tear a cat
in"...."..this is my dog..."
Best wishes,
Graham Hall
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From: Al Magary <
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Date: Friday, 14 Feb 2003 13:49:31 -0800
Subject: 14.0290 Shakespeare's Dogs
Comment: Re: SHK 14.0290 Shakespeare's Dogs
James Doyle asked:
>b) is there anything to support my idea of a dog in the Shrew, or in
>other of Shakespeare's plays?
>c) has a dog been used in a modern production of the Shrew,
>and to what comic effect?
A famous actor once said something to the effect, Never share the stage
with a dog or a child--they'll steal the scene. However, in your
context, it looks like it would be a great gag.
Al Magary
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From: Tom Pendleton <
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Date: Friday, 14 Feb 2003 21:59:10 -0500
Subject: 14.0290 Shakespeare's Dogs
Comment: RE: SHK 14.0290 Shakespeare's Dogs
I doubt that Crab is a spaniel. Launce says he's as big as ten of what
seems to be a lap dog ("the other squirrel") that Proteus wanted him to
deliver to Silvia. I can't imagine a spaniel ten times as big as
anything canine. And Shakespeare seems not to have liked
spaniels--"fawning like a spaniel" is all over the plays.
Crab wouldn't really have to be trained to do anything but sit there,
although there are references to performing horses and bears in
Shakespeare's time.
I don't think relying on a dog to clean up the on-stage food is a good
idea. Dogs usually will eat anything and everything, except when they
won't. And that would leave you with a mess on stage, and maybe a mess
on stage.
Tom Pendleton
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