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Re: God Save the Queen
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.0684  Tuesday, 8 April 2003

[1]     From:   Sean Lawrence <
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        Date:   Monday, 07 Apr 2003 12:18:12 -0300
        Subj:   Re: SHK 14.0668 Re: God Save the Queen

[2]     From:   Terence Hawkes <
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        Date:   Monday, 7 Apr 2003 13:35:10 -0400
        Subj:   SHK 14.0668 Re: God Save the Queen

[3]     From:   Daphne Pearson <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 08 Apr 2003 10:44:11 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 14.0668 Re: God Save the Queen


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From:           Sean Lawrence <
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Date:           Monday, 07 Apr 2003 12:18:12 -0300
Subject: 14.0668 Re: God Save the Queen
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.0668 Re: God Save the Queen

Sam Small writes,

>If she were deposed it would make no difference whatsoever to
>the British governmental system or the British way of life except in the
>imaginations of true cuckoo royalists who believe the world would stop
>spinning if the Queen of England got a real job.  I suspect that such an
>uneducated woman would find it difficult to find one.

I believe she was trained as a mechanic in the second world war.
Besides, just because her education was private is no reason to think
that she didn't have any.

Gabriel Egan writes,

>It's only 27 years since the British crown dismissed an elected
>prime minister: Gough Whitlam.

I believe that Whitlam lost the confidence of the Australian parliament
when the Senate refused to vote supply.  The governor-general at the
time was merely enforcing the principle of parliamentary democracy.

Yours,
Sean.

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From:           Terence Hawkes <
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Date:           Monday, 7 Apr 2003 13:35:10 -0400
Subject: Re: God Save the Queen
Comment:        SHK 14.0668 Re: God Save the Queen

Martin Steward assures us that the 'Royal Assent' is NOT required in
order for British parliamentary Bills to become law--

"not since the Parliament Act (1949). This Act says that the monarch is
not even required to CALL a Parliament, let alone sign its bills."

Oh dear. A brief glance at the British Government's Statutory Instrument
1988 No. 1082 might help. Under the Crown Office Order (Forms and
Proclamations Rules) 1988, the following is prescribed as the official
mode "For signifying the Royal Assent":

"FORASMUCH as in Our said Parliament divers Acts have been agreed upon
by you Our loving Subjects the Lords Spiritual and Temporal and the
Commons the short Titles of which are set forth in the Schedule hereto
but the said Acts are not of force and effect in the Law without Our
Royal Assent [AND WHEREAS in pursuance of the Church of England Assembly
(Powers) Act 1919 certain Measures the short Titles of which are set
forth in the said Schedule have been presented to Us in the form laid
before Parliament] AND forasmuch as We cannot at this time be present in
the Higher House of Our said Parliament being the accustomed place for
giving Our Royal Assent to such Acts as have been agreed upon by you Our
said Subjects the Lords and Commons We have therefore caused these Our
Letters Patent to be made and have signed them and by them do give Our
Royal Assent to the said Acts [and Measures] WILLING that the said Acts
[and Measures] shall be of the same strength force and effect as if We
had been personally present in the said Higher House and had publicly
and in the presence of you all assented to the same."

T. Hawkes

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From:           Daphne Pearson <
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Date:           Tuesday, 08 Apr 2003 10:44:11 +0100
Subject: 14.0668 Re: God Save the Queen
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.0668 Re: God Save the Queen

Sam Small mentioned the  'Royal Ascent'.

I know the Queen is Defender of the Faith but I did not realise this
included ascension. Would this be into Heaven to sit on God's right
hand? I certainly was not aware that Parliament insists on this.

As one of Sam's 'cuckoo royalists' even I wouldn't go this far.

Regards,
Daphne

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