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Re: Love's Labour's Wonne
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.0685  Tuesday, 8 April 2003

[1]     From:   Graham Hall <
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        Date:   Monday, 07 Apr 2003 15:40:26 +0000
        Subj:   Pedant bites dogmatist

[2]     From:   John Drakakis <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 8 Apr 2003 13:05:52 +0100
        Subj:   RE: SHK 14.0667 Re: Love's Labour's Wonne


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From:           Graham Hall <
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Date:           Monday, 07 Apr 2003 15:40:26 +0000
Subject:        Pedant bites dogmatist

Bill Arnold writes ( a touche huffily for my taste) about LLW "[...] it
might be instructive to all to recall that the play was listed by
Francis Meres in Shakespearean English of 1598 in his Palladis Tamia,
Wit's Treasury [...]This is an early and historically accurate list of
the known and accepted writings, poetry and plays of Will
Shakespeare[...] Unless there is another earlier list than this one
[brought to my attention by Samuel Schoenbaum's Shakespeare's
Lives][...]"

Being of a somewhat churlish disposition today, I respond thus;

Nothing there that a bit of deeper reading won't cure.

Bill possibly is, and Francis and Sam undoubtedly were, real nice guys.
But it would seem that none are infallible.

Perhaps it's "instructive to all" and "historically accurate list" that
piques my peeve.

Hmmmm!

Graham Hall

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From:           John Drakakis <
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Date:           Tuesday, 8 Apr 2003 13:05:52 +0100
Subject: 14.0667 Re: Love's Labour's Wonne
Comment:        RE: SHK 14.0667 Re: Love's Labour's Wonne

Bill Arnold is right to check my frivolity, and I am aware of the
Francis Meres reference.  However no such text exists, and Meres may be
confused.

We might consider the following lines from LLL spoken by Biron/Berowne:

        Our wooing doth not end like an old play.
        Jack hath not Jill
                                        (5.2.851-2)
MND has Puck say:

Jack shall have Jill,
Naught shall go ill
The man shall have his mare again, and all shall be well
                                        (3.2.45-6)

Of course, Meres distinguishes between LLW and MND.

Meres like a number of other contemporaries sometimes got things wrong,
and it would be fruitless to try to invent the content of a play for
which we only have a name. Surely we need to relegate this query to the
same file that we relegate the Ur Hamlet, another fictional text (for
which there is some evidence of its existence) that has generated more
heat than light.

Cheers,
John Drakakis

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