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Ophelia's Hamlet's True Love So It Seems
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.2449  Tuesday, 30 December 2003

[1]     From:   Stephen C. Rose <
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        Date:   Monday, 29 Dec 2003 07:09:35 -0800 (PST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 14.2443 Ophelia's Hamlet's True Love So It Seems

[2]     From:   L. Swilley <
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        Date:   Monday, 29 Dec 2003 21:50:19 -0600
        Subj:   Re: SHK 14.2443 Ophelia's Hamlet's True Love So It Seems


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From:           Stephen C. Rose <
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Date:           Monday, 29 Dec 2003 07:09:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 14.2443 Ophelia's Hamlet's True Love So It Seems
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.2443 Ophelia's Hamlet's True Love So It Seems

Ah, a fellow New Yorker as well. Well said. I personally wonder if O was
pregnant when she died. And if there was intimacy between them, whether
such intimacy or even just the prospect of it revolted Hamlet at some
deep level and was the cause of his dissing lingo.

I think a good deal of H's negative language may stem from an awareness
that he is not alone. I shall read and reread these lines and probably
hold a little less firmly to my stated convictions.

Cheers, S

(PS...This is off topic entirely. Goddard, and something I read here,
suggest that Claudius is hardly a totally negative sort but even a
tragic figure. I feel he is not a tragic figure at all, but someone
Hannah Arendt would have had a good time skewering. (Or maybe Gregory
Bateson whose double bind understandings are ever-relevant.) I relate
Claudius to the Biblical principalities and powers. His very passivity
conceals a sometimes "well-hidden" executioner's hand. Of course, I
suppose one could argue that is some respects Hamlet was a chip off his
uncle's block and thereby move a bot more toward the POV of the below.)

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Date:           Monday, 29 Dec 2003 21:50:19 -0600
Subject: 14.2443 Ophelia's Hamlet's True Love So It Seems
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.2443 Ophelia's Hamlet's True Love So It Seems

Music do I hear? /Ha, ha! keep time.  How sour sweet music is/ When time
is broke and no proportion kept.

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