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Re: Tillyard (Again)
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.1775  Thursday, 11 September 2003

[1]     From:   David Evett <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 10 Sep 2003 22:37:01 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 14.1758 Re: Tillyard (Again)

[2]     From:   Larry Weiss <
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        Date:   Thursday, 11 Sep 2003 00:10:32 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 14.1768 Re: Tillyard (Again)


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From:           David Evett <
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Date:           Wednesday, 10 Sep 2003 22:37:01 -0400
Subject: 14.1758 Re: Tillyard (Again)
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1758 Re: Tillyard (Again)

>"Surely the long list of imprisoned, tortured, maimed, and executed
>artists among Shakespeare's contemporaries was not the consequence of
>their bad taste?"

History being what is, people will argue the effects of early modern
British censorship for a while yet.  Holger Schott argues that we're not
certain what happened to Kyd in the Tower, that Surrey, Tichborne, and
Stubbes were punished for things egregiously political and Jonson for
ordinary manslaughter.  John Heywood's story might come closer to the
bone: he was only writing history, after all, and so might Ralegh's.
Shakespeare and Company seem to have escaped (*R2* in connection with
Essex).  But where do we put Sidney and Spenser and poor old Gabriel
Harvey, seemingly wounded only in career and honor and esteem but not in
body?  Could be, of course, that the dam of Tudor and early Stuart
hegemony produced the potent cultural eddies that gave us what we
experience as the late early modern cultural efflorescence.  But maybe
at a price.

David Evett

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Date:           Thursday, 11 Sep 2003 00:10:32 -0400
Subject: 14.1768 Re: Tillyard (Again)
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1768 Re: Tillyard (Again)

I agree with Hardy that this thread has run its course and I apologize
for sorta inviting it by simply commenting that Marx's asserted fondness
for Shakespeare didn't render Shakespeare, ex post facto, a Marxist.

It has been fun though.  For example, I have not heard a grown-up utter
such observations as

>Socialism ... involves imposing principles of reason and morality
>on the transfer of goods and revenues without the benefit of large sums
>of money for bribery and coercion

since 1963 -- certainly not since 1992.  It makes me nostalgic for high
school.

I was surprised, however, to see Clifford ask

"Are these the European retirement homes with the 10,000 newly vacant
beds? "

I presume that this refers to the performance of France's socialized
medicine system in the recent heat wave.  I would have thought that
Clifford holds the French workers' paradise in high esteem.  What could
be better than a maximum 35-hour work week (including for doctors)
fourteen weeks of paid vacation and virtual lifetime employment tenure
regardless of performance and productivity.  Hmmn, I wonder if that
could have anything to do with their inability to deal with rising
temperature.

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