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Now God stand up for bastards
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.1874  Monday, 29 September 2003

[1]     From:   Walter Cannon <
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        Date:   Friday, 26 Sep 2003 07:23:02 -0500
        Subj:   RE: SHK 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards

[2]     From:   Peter Hyland <
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        Date:   Friday, 26 Sep 2003 09:37:40 -0400
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[3]     From:   Robin Hamilton <
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        Date:   Friday, 26 Sep 2003 15:53:01 +0100
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[4]     From:   Lea Luecking Frost <
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        Date:   Friday, 26 Sep 2003 10:29:13 -0500
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        Date:   Friday, 26 Sep 2003 09:00:31 -0700
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        Date:   Friday, 26 Sep 2003 12:36:39 -0400
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[7]     From:   Jack Heller <
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        Date:   Friday, 26 Sep 2003 12:29:36 -0500 (EST)
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[8]     From:   W.L. Godshalk <
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        Date:   Friday, 26 Sep 2003 13:40:42 -0400
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[9]     From:   John Ramsay <
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        Date:   Friday, 26 Sep 2003 15:33:23 -0400
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[10]     From:  Harvey Roy Greenberg <
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        Date:   Sunday, 28 Sep 2003 00:45:06 EDT
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From:           Walter Cannon <
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Date:           Friday, 26 Sep 2003 07:23:02 -0500
Subject: 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards
Comment:        RE: SHK 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards

How about Faulkonbridge....or even Caliban?

W Cannon

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From:           Peter Hyland <
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Date:           Friday, 26 Sep 2003 09:37:40 -0400
Subject: 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards
Comment:        RE: SHK 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards

Margareton in TROILUS AND CRESSIDA? At least he doesn't appear to be
"bad", perhaps because his role isn't big enough to give him the
opportunity.

Peter Hyland

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Date:           Friday, 26 Sep 2003 15:53:01 +0100
Subject: 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards

>Are there any good bastards in Elizabethan/Jacobean drama?  By which, I
>mean morally (at least in the fictive world of the play.

Falconbridge in /King John/.

Robin Hamilton

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Date:           Friday, 26 Sep 2003 10:29:13 -0500
Subject: 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards

>Are there any good bastards in Elizabethan/Jacobean drama?
>By which, I mean morally (at least in the fictive world of the play.

Faulconbridge in Shakespeare's own "King John" seems okay...I think. I
freely admit I don't have him figured out. ;-)

Regards,
Lea

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Date:           Friday, 26 Sep 2003 09:00:31 -0700
Subject: 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards

C. David Frankel writes:

>Are there any good bastards in Elizabethan/Jacobean drama?  By which, I
>mean morally (at least in the fictive world of the play.

The Bastard in King John?

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Date:           Friday, 26 Sep 2003 12:36:39 -0400
Subject: 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards

>Are there any good bastards in Elizabethan/Jacobean drama?  By which, I
>mean morally (at least in the fictive world of the play.

You mean other than in King John?

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Date:           Friday, 26 Sep 2003 12:29:36 -0500 (EST)
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Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards

>Are there any good bastards in Elizabethan/Jacobean drama?  By which, I
>mean morally (at least in the fictive world of the play.

Would Fauconbridge in King John qualify? I think he might, depending on
one's politics.

Jack Heller
Huntington College

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Date:           Friday, 26 Sep 2003 13:40:42 -0400
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Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards

>Are there any good bastards in Elizabethan/Jacobean drama?  By which, I
>mean morally (at least in the fictive world of the play.

It can be argued (I've seen it done) that the Bastard in King John is
morally good.  At least, he does not throw England into civil war at
play's end.

Bill Godshalk

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Date:           Friday, 26 Sep 2003 15:33:23 -0400
Subject: 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards

>Are there any good bastards in Elizabethan/Jacobean drama?  By which, I
>mean morally (at least in the fictive world of the play.

It's possible that the noble Brutus was the out of wedlock son of
Caesar.

He himself uses the term 'bastardy' early in the play and 'bastard' is
employed by another character near the end.

This makes Cassius' appeal to Brutus to begin the conspiracy on the
grounds his 'legitimate' ancestor drove a king out of Rome very
Machiavellian.

It accounts for Brutus' decidedly mixed feelings about Caesar.

It accounts for Caesar's famous last words.

Also accounts for Antony saying, 'For Brutus, as you know, was Caesar's
angel.'

John Ramsay

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From:           Harvey Roy Greenberg <
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Date:           Sunday, 28 Sep 2003 00:45:06 EDT
Subject: 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1872 Now God stand up for bastards

I don't believe there were any good bastards on the Elizabethan/Jacobean
circuit, although I am not a Shakespeare scholar. However, one of the
most intriguing, brilliant, quirky, and thoroughly decent bastards in
recent literary history is Dr. Stephen Maturin of Patrick O'Brian's
Aubrey/Maturin cycle. I recommend him highly.

Harvey Roy Greenberg

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